Login | Register
SearchMy Stuff
My ProfileMy PreferencesMy Mates RSS Feed
2 3 ... 11 12
Reply to Topic
Author Discussion

Clivey

Original Poster:

1,452 posts

73 months

[news] 
Monday 23rd July 2012 quote quote all
Oh dear, oh dear...I just thought I'd share this. Yes, it's long-winded but I don't know whether to laugh or cry! yikes

I have a friend who has been driving for 6 years; he inherited a Citroen Xsara from his parents that although not old at the time, hadn't been looked after, with no service history and some badly bent panels. His parents haven't exactly encouraged him to look after his car and commented that servicing was a waste of money. Combined with a less than sympathetic (though definitely not a boy racer) driving style and the fact that he was a student spending nothing on maintenance, this was always a recipe for disaster. Nevertheless, despite what some say about French cars, this one soldiered-on to 127,000 miles before being written off by a drunk HGV driver on a roundabout. silly

At this point, my friend asked me to help him find a new car. Budget: £1,000. The problem was that he was in a hurry as he lives in the middle of nowhere and needed a car to get about. He looked at almost everything within budget, but no matter what he went to view, there was always a serious problem with it that would cost more money to fix than the value of the car. After looking at dozens of cars, we visited a dealer local to me. We weren't interested in image or performance and had even sunk to looking at a Daewoo Nubira, but there was a car there that stood out as being head and shoulders above the rest.

Despite the horror stories, this Rover 75 looked perfect. It was a 52-reg 1.8T Connoisseur with just 68k on the clock. It had a full service history, had been serviced only 4,000 miles ago and had had both the head gasket and cam belt changed recently. It was in extremely good condition for the age but was over budget at £1,700. I mentioned that it was a shame we couldn't consider it; the salesman said that he would knock it down to £1,500. However this was still 50% more than my friend had to spend. We went to look at another couple of cars - another Rover 75 and a Vectra...and after another wasted evening he decided that he would go back and buy the 75 from the garage, even though this would push him to the limit financially. However, this car was at a dealer after all and had a warranty.

We went to the garage early on Friday morning with the mindset that he'd buy it if it was up to scratch. I went on the Owners' Club website, found out all about the common issues and gave the car a thorough check over, a proper test drive from cold etc. I discovered two issues; the car was pulling to the left (due to a soft tyre) and when you gave it full throttle the boost would build, hesitate at about 2,500 rpm, then jolt forwards with a bang, leaving a puff of white exhaust smoke behind. This symptom was described on the OC site as being attributable to either a split hose on the turbo, or a turbo failure as a result of the prior head gasket failure - which made sense. What didn’t was that the dealer agreed to fix the fault if we bought the car which seemed generous, as a new turbo isn’t cheap. However, the salesman didn’t seem to know what the fault was and said he’d get one of his mechanics to look at it. Everything else was spot on and after double and triple checking that they’d fix the fault we did the deal at £1,500. readit

This is where the sensibilities end. The dealer took the car for an MOT (which it passed with no advisories) later that morning and had a look at the fault. I advised my friend that they'd probably want the car over the weekend to fix the problem and to let them keep it until it was right. However he was desperate for wheels as he had a weekend away booked with friends and he was supposed to be driving. Early in the afternoon, the dealer phoned to say that he could take the car for the weekend and that as long as he didn't "boot it" he would be fine until Monday morning (today), when he could bring it back for them to fix. Despite what I'd understood, they thought the issue was a camshaft sensor, apparently.

Despite my advice, my friend then collected his passengers and headed off. I got a phone call at some time later from one of the passengers to say that the car was smoking…I asked them to stop and investigate but they carried on as they were “near where they were going”. I spoke to my friend after he got to his destination and the “smoke” he described sounded like what I’d witnessed when test driving the car. I advised him to use common sense and if it didn’t look right, not to drive it. I didn’t hear from him again until this morning. rolleyes

I got a phone call to say that he needed to talk to me and asked if he could meet me at my workplace. I agreed and he arrived at around midday. He told me that the garage had said there was a problem involving a pipe and that it’d “cooked the engine”. I told him not to worry, as they told him that he could drive the car like that and that it had a warranty. The garage is just down the road from my workplace and so I went to see the car on my lunch break. As I opened the bonnet, I saw it…and at this point the dealer told me that my friend had admitted that he’d continued driving after seeing the oil pressure warning light flicker. The oil breather pipe had come loose and the engine had proceeded to pump all of it’s oil out, all over the engine bay. eek

My friend then admitted to me that he’d continues to drive approximately 30 miles after seeing the warning light because he thought it was to do with the existing fault, had been told it was fine and was on his way to the garage at that point anyway. The engine is now absolutely buggered and dealer has obviously said that they can't accept responsibility for it. It doesn't exactly help matters that the car had basically been parked in a field all weekend and is covered in mud. - Not the kind of thing you want to do if you want to make a dealer sympathetic to your stupidity. banghead

As I see it, my friend shot himself in the foot in rushing to take the car away, then emptied the whole magazine when he continued to drive with the oil pressure warning light on, flushing his consumer rights down the toilet in the process. Opinions please? What would you advise him to do next? teacherhehe

172ff

1,405 posts

64 months

[news] 
Monday 23rd July 2012 quote quote all
This thread is a reminder that there is always some poor bugger worse off than you!

What is your friend going to do now? Buy a new engine off eBay or walk away?

C2james

4,094 posts

34 months

[news] 
Monday 23rd July 2012 quote quote all
Learn how to drive and to find some common sense.

Disco You

1,730 posts

49 months

[news] 
Monday 23rd July 2012 quote quote all
Listen to his friend next time?
Invest in some common sense lessons?

Cemesis

489 posts

31 months

[news] 
Monday 23rd July 2012 quote quote all
Tell him he is an idiot and its his responsibility and not the garages.

Suggest that in the future he does what you suggest regarding cars. It will save him alot of money in the long run.
Advertisement

carreauchompeur

10,605 posts

73 months

[news] 
Monday 23rd July 2012 quote quote all
He is like a lame flamingo.

Definitely has not got a leg to stand on. To be honest, taking the car away from the dealers probably shot him in the foot in the first place.

soad

15,890 posts

45 months

[news] 
Monday 23rd July 2012 quote quote all
No car then.
Really daft to have continued driving it.

Terminator X

2,124 posts

73 months

[news] 
Monday 23rd July 2012 quote quote all
Clucking flueless!

TX.

chrisispringles

760 posts

34 months

[news] 
Monday 23rd July 2012 quote quote all
Give him a space hopper, hopefully he won't break it.

In all seriousness though, I'd say his best bet is to get it to a scrappy somehow and spend the proceeds on a snotter. It will be a tough lesson, but hopefully one he won't forget.

williredale

1,149 posts

21 months

[news] 
Monday 23rd July 2012 quote quote all
So was the oil breather coming loose causing the other symptoms? TBH though it sounds like the dealer has been reasonable and your friend has cocked up big style...

TheTurbonator

1,692 posts

20 months

[news] 
Monday 23rd July 2012 quote quote all
Reminds me of my mate who continued to drive his Zafira with the oil light flashing and flickering at him.

When the big black cloud of smoke and debris eventually cleared, a large tennis ball sized hole could now been seen on the side of the engine block.

I'm no layer but if you're friend tried going down the legal route of the car was unfit for purpose under the SOGA (Sales Of Goods Act). I think it will just be thrown out as soon as the dealer told their version of events.

Your mate's gonna have to chalk this one up I'm afraid and live with the fact he was a total wally to drive it.

Matt UK

7,517 posts

69 months

[news] 
Monday 23rd July 2012 quote quote all
OP, you're advice has got you and him nowhere so far.. I'd just be busy for a week or two. He's a grown up, let him sort it however he wishes and learn whatever lessons are required.

I'm just staggered that with a budget of £1,500, the best the pair of you could come up with was a clearly knackered Rover 75.

McHaggis

7,687 posts

24 months

[news] 
Monday 23rd July 2012 quote quote all
Your friend is an idiot. He could have at least called you / the trader / read the manual when the light came on. What part of *bright warning light* did he not understand?

Get new friends.

Or stop advising stupid friends on cars and restrict it to a friendly beer/parties/etc for an easy life.

End of advice.

HustleRussell

4,114 posts

29 months

[news] 
Monday 23rd July 2012 quote quote all
You can't advise some people. Explain that he's a clot, then wash your hands of the whole problem and leave him to it.

Also I have to agree with the previous poster that there are better cars than a knackred Rover 75 for £1,500. I recommend Japanese cars to clueless people.

0a

8,434 posts

63 months

[news] 
Monday 23rd July 2012 quote quote all
OP at least you can tell him you were right about not driving the 75 over the weekend.

williredale

1,149 posts

21 months

[news] 
Monday 23rd July 2012 quote quote all
HustleRussell said:
Also I have to agree with the previous poster that there are better cars than a knackred Rover 75 for £1,500. I recommend Japanese cars to clueless people.
Indeed! I spent £1500 last October on my Volvo C70 and I reckon that's better than a 1.8 Rover whichever way you look at it.

Clivey

Original Poster:

1,452 posts

73 months

[news] 
Monday 23rd July 2012 quote quote all
rofl

As I said, I don't know whether to laugh or cry! The thing is that despite him admitting being a complete idiot with regards to cars, and severely lacking in common sense, he's a nice guy.

172ff said:
This thread is a reminder that there is always some poor bugger worse off than you!
True that. I was feeling down in the dumps about needing to spend some money (and not presently being able to afford) to make my BMW immaculate. Kind of puts it into perspective. Funnily enough, I put a litre of Castrol's finest in it yesterday amongst other maintenance. I nearly st myself the first time I saw the oil light on that car; I called a family member to take me to the motor store and left it at the side of a country road until I had some oil. - It caught me out with how much it uses as my other car doesn't use any between services.

172ff said:
What is your friend going to do now? Buy a new engine off eBay or walk away?
He can't afford to fix it yet so I guess he'll just have to get it recovered then SORN it whilst he gets some funds together. A tough lesson that he needs to take care of things. The problem is that I didn't get the chance to show him how because he only had it 3 days before ruining it! What a bloody mess!

williredale said:
So was the oil breather coming loose causing the other symptoms? TBH though it sounds like the dealer has been reasonable and your friend has cocked up big style...
It's too late to find out now - he continued to drive it when the warning was there. As you say: Big style. yikesbanghead

0a

8,434 posts

63 months

[news] 
Monday 23rd July 2012 quote quote all
williredale said:
HustleRussell said:
Also I have to agree with the previous poster that there are better cars than a knackred Rover 75 for £1,500. I recommend Japanese cars to clueless people.
Indeed! I spent £1500 last October on my Volvo C70 and I reckon that's better than a 1.8 Rover whichever way you look at it.
The Rover isn't that bad, it's the 1.8 turbo engine, low mileage and had the belt and HG done. Comfortable car. Not my choice, but not a terrible one either (until you drive it without oil in!).

CampDavid

7,701 posts

67 months

[news] 
Monday 23rd July 2012 quote quote all
Well, a cooked engine could mean a lot of things. I'd let it cool down, clean it and then see what's wrong. It'll either need a new bottom end or top end. Time to find a replacement lump...

Clivey

Original Poster:

1,452 posts

73 months

[news] 
Tuesday 24th July 2012 quote quote all
Matt UK said:
OP, you're advice has got you and him nowhere so far.. I'd just be busy for a week or two. He's a grown up, let him sort it however he wishes and learn whatever lessons are required.

I'm just staggered that with a budget of £1,500, the best the pair of you could come up with was a clearly knackered Rover 75.
williredale said:
HustleRussell said:
Also I have to agree with the previous poster that there are better cars than a knackred Rover 75 for £1,500. I recommend Japanese cars to clueless people.
Indeed! I spent £1500 last October on my Volvo C70 and I reckon that's better than a 1.8 Rover whichever way you look at it.
The £1,500 was a last minute thing on his part. The Rover was the only car he'd seen that he liked and compared to everything else we'd seen was excellent. Nevertheless, if he'd had followed my advice and left it with the dealer to sort out, he could have had a very good example for not a lot of cash. I did try and find him a Corolla for £1,000 (he didn't want to go smaller), but we could only find one locally and it was a shed (actually it looked like it'd been used as a chicken coop). We looked at Almeras but the only one in budget was a 3-door and he wanted 4/5. Other Japanese / Asian offerings at this size / price usually have histories including ferrying drunkards on Saturday nights or being razzed around housing estates with ironing boards on the boot and dustbin exhausts. The other reason for the Rover was that the insurance was very cheap for a car of it's size due to the fact that not many chavs wrap them around lampposts.

He didn't want a pre 2000 car and didn't want to look at anything with over 100k on the clock. What would you have bought?
2 3 ... 11 12
Reply to Topic