RE: Chris Harris video: GT2 RS vs Ducati Panigale

[HurryUpAndWait]

andyroo said:

great vid, superb production. keep em coming!

+1 - immensely slick (the production, as well as Santa Pod), informative and never taken too seriously.

[slinky]

Great stuff... And drag racing aint easy kids..

[DeltaEvo2]

PANIGALE!

[soad]

Gilhooligan said:

That ducati sounds brilliant, always had a thing for v twins. The Porsche on the other hand sounds like many other turbo cars out there (think Nissan gtr), wooshy and muted.

[panzerwagen]

Nothing on TV and Pistonheads comes up trumps! Good stuff!

[ESDavey]

Did either of you try 2nd gear get away from the line ? Appears to me 1st is too low geared with all that torque on tap.

Edited by ESDavey on Wednesday 25th July 22:00

[Swordman]

So what we have learnt is that a very fast bike (known to get off the line faster than any Porsche) is faster off the line than a Porsche.

[lazygraduand]

Afraid to say that video did nothing for me- I'm usually a huge fan of Mr Harris and his productions, but this one seemed overly artsy and a bit contrived-there didn't seem to be much in the way of substance- a 20 minute video of a few runs up Santa Pod. Dare I say it, I was a bit bored by the end. Not helped by the 'discussion' in the last few minutes which to me seemed pretty dull!

Sorry! Just being honest.

[GuyMarks]

andyroo said:

great vid, superb production. keep em coming!

+1 That was proper entertainment.

Amazing vehicles we'd all love to own and a couple of blokes trying to max them. I think its perfectly pitched being nerdy enough to be interesting but at the same time not taking themselves too seriously.

Harris's videos are a great addition to pistonheads.

[Rawwr]

Chris, do you ever get a bit '50p 5p' when driving someone else's £200,000 car and it gets a bit squirmy with concrete walls either side of you?

[M666 EVO]

Not seen the vid yet and no one seems to give away the ending but I assume the bike wins?

I have zero time for bikes so I hope when I finally get home and watch it, the Porker has for some reason decimated the bike and all is well...

We will see

[mojitomax]

why was the porsche's rear lights flashing during the run?

[OlberJ]

LED lights on camera do that due to the flash rate IIRC.

[Callughan]

bigandclever said:

nickfrog said:

bigandclever said:

TomTVR500 said:

For this particular test I think a Turbo S would have been a much better bet

Apart from the "pitching-up without a box of launch computers and dual-clutch gearboxes" bit?

Don't they do a manual and can't you turn stuff off on a Turbo S ? But presumably there's still electronics managing torque/traction between front and rear axles I guess.

I'm 99% sure it's PDK only for the 997 Turbo S.

Turbo S only PDK but has launch control

[redvictor]

Gilhooligan said:

That ducati sounds brilliant, always had a thing for v twins. The Porsche on the other hand sounds like many other turbo cars out there (think Nissan gtr), wooshy and muted.

Not all of them though...

[Terminator X]

I'm not in to bikes but that bike looks fking amazing & goes like

TX.

[SlipStream77]

I'd be interested to know just how sticky the tyres are on the bike, I reckon the 911 with a similar compound fitted would have performed better.

There's still no way the Porsche would win over that distance with that kind of P/W disparity between them.

A 917/30 with just under 2000bhp/tonne in 'qualy' trim might have a chance though.

[Gilhooligan]

redvictor said:

Not all of them though...

Indeed I believe yours may be an exception to the norm . I was referring mainly to modern cars with too many catalytic converters and silencers. Damn euro 5 emission regs...

[Reardy Mister]

I would have thought this can of worms was easily obvious enough for a man of Harris' experience to give a wide berth to.

ETA: Did anyone think to play to play with tyre pressures? Particularly on the Porsche? Are they RFTs? And if they are, does the nature of RFTs negate any benefits of reduced pressures for a drag?

A few things I noted:

• The Panigale wheelies like a turbo'ed Jap bike and looks like Angelina Jolie with two wheels bolted to her, I love it.

• The Porker has enough horse power to pull down old barns and only a lap-sash enertia reel belt

• I'm amazed that with the claim that the Ducati will only manage a real 175 or so at Brunters. That is a figure regularly claimed for stock bikes like my own (2004 R1 - Ive seen an indicated 186 plus some revs which Im taking to be 169-174ish) and they are around 50hp down on the Ducati. The R1 is also known for being dirty through the air. Surely the Ducati isnt a quarter again dirtier?

• Harris is a closet bike-lover and secretly wants his license but is a scardey-cat.

• That bike rider is nice level headed chap and not all like some people in biking media you hear so much about who think they are god's gift "but just never got the breaks".

• The bike possibly needed more carcass temperature in the rear, not really achievable with a short pre-run burnout, which will just heat the surface for the short term and potentially not allow as much deformation for a good launch.

Of course, there are many many variables and the potential is there for a week long coulda-woulda-shoulda thread. But I like the balance this vid was done with and its a bit of fun.

Nice work chaps.

Edited by Reardy Mister on Wednesday 25th July 23:46

[ArnieVXR]

Gilhooligan said:

Indeed I believe yours may be an exception to the norm . I was referring mainly to modern cars with too many catalytic converters and silencers. Damn euro 5 emission regs...

I'm still running cats in my car and a full interior, in fact it's far heavier than stock. Last time out it pulled a 10.2. Amazing what decent rubber and a bit more boost can do. Put the Porsche on drag radials and see what happens (well until something breaks).