Re: 918 Spyder shows off Martini livery
Discussion
Wills2 said:
zebedee said:
Wills2 said:
zebedee said:
Probably none, but an awful lot of Porsches seem to be driven around by complete posing tools who couldn't drive a wet stick up a dog's a**e anyway, so most of their engineering prowess is totally lost on their customers already
And now the owner/driver bashing begins....As for the rest of your post with respect it's just utter claptrap that you've just made up and have zero evidence for.
Personally I can't remember the last time I saw a Caterham, Lotus, Noble or TVR being thrashed down a B road, does that mean that they aren't? Of course it doesn't and what a stupid assumption it would be to believe so.
I'm no driving God but I enjoy a B blast as much as the next man.
Oh and Ring times are irrelevant for most users regardless of the make or model of car.
Wills2 said:
So you state that an awful lot of Porsche's are driven by tools but that's not bashing??
As for the rest of your post with respect it's just utter claptrap that you've just made up and have zero evidence for.
Personally I can't remember the last time I saw a Caterham, Lotus, Noble or TVR being thrashed down a B road, does that mean that they aren't? Of course it doesn't and what a stupid assumption it would be to believe so.
I'm no driving God but I enjoy a B blast as much as the next man.
Oh and Ring times are irrelevant for most users regardless of the make or model of car.
My point was quite specific as a response to someone asking how many buyers of the 918 would be setting those times on the Ring. I was saying it was as irrelevant for the 918 as it is for a 911 because despite them being finely honed drivers machines a lot of Porsches are not bought by people who have any intention of driving them at anything approaching their limit. In other words, the 918 will still sell well even if the intended customers aren't Walter Rohrl. A lot are and of course people on here who have them are more likely to than not, but I wasn't out to bash Porsche drivers. It is undeniable that many are bought as status symbols, Porsche wouldn't be the success it is if that wasn't the case. I wasn't saying that takes anything away from the car itself or saying it applies to all owners, of course it doesn't, so again I'm not bashing. Or if I am bashing a poser who buys a Porsche because it is better than his neighbour's car but he never intends to use it for what it was made for, then fine, that type of vain/false person/tool deserves to be 'bashed'! The owner of a petrolhead car that you can't talk to as a petrolhead because he/she hasn't the first idea, that just ain't right! (And yes you get them for Ferrari, Lambo etc etc too but this thread was about Porsche).As for the rest of your post with respect it's just utter claptrap that you've just made up and have zero evidence for.
Personally I can't remember the last time I saw a Caterham, Lotus, Noble or TVR being thrashed down a B road, does that mean that they aren't? Of course it doesn't and what a stupid assumption it would be to believe so.
I'm no driving God but I enjoy a B blast as much as the next man.
Oh and Ring times are irrelevant for most users regardless of the make or model of car.
zebedee said:
Wills2 said:
zebedee said:
Probably none, but an awful lot of Porsches seem to be driven around by complete posing tools who couldn't drive a wet stick up a dog's a**e anyway, so most of their engineering prowess is totally lost on their customers already
And now the owner/driver bashing begins....993RSGT3 said:
The performance envelope on a modern Porsche is such that's its pretty much impossible to cane it on a b-road. My GT3 feels so far within itself on most roads that I take it to the track to properly thrash it. That said, the 993RS is more useable, so watch out if you're on something like the B4425 Bibury road on a sunny Sunday morning!
Agreed, but you can still tell when someone is pushing on and when they are not. Fair point that a lot of people who appear to be tooling around may just choose to get their thrills on the track instead, hadn't thought of that before.
zebedee said:
993RSGT3 said:
The performance envelope on a modern Porsche is such that's its pretty much impossible to cane it on a b-road. My GT3 feels so far within itself on most roads that I take it to the track to properly thrash it. That said, the 993RS is more useable, so watch out if you're on something like the B4425 Bibury road on a sunny Sunday morning!
Agreed, but you can still tell when someone is pushing on and when they are not. Fair point that a lot of people who appear to be tooling around may just choose to get their thrills on the track instead, hadn't thought of that before.
Watchman said:
Dump all the electric kit Porsche. Reduce weight and concentrate on the essentials.
+1Its apparently 1490kg with batteries and electric motors. It would be rather interesting to know what its mass is without them.
With performance in the 458/MP4-12C region (except for those few minutes the batteries provide a boost) I can't see a £600k price making sense unless the run is quite limited.
zebedee said:
dinkel said:
Re: " . . . officially declared a target Nordschleife lap time of 7min 22sec. That's six seconds faster than the Carrera GT (the 918 Spyder's spiritual predecessor) . . ."
So, which 918 client will see these figures?
Probably none, but an awful lot of Porsches seem to be driven around by complete posing tools who couldn't drive a wet stick up a dog's a**e anyway, so most of their engineering prowess is totally lost on their customers alreadySo, which 918 client will see these figures?
Wonderfully executed engineers wet dream.
But the whole MPG is a distraction, due to ridiculous criteria that will 99.99% not be met in real life. Whats the point.
So putting aside the desire to chase artificial, and almost universally irrelevant bureaucratic milestones, I dont really see what this car offers in performance terms above, say, a GTR, besides an astronomical price tag. In fact, I could go further, and suggest that the use of heavy batteries actually decreases the purity of its design purpose.
As for livery; well, you could put a decent paint job on a lot of cars, and they'd look good too. Its ok, sure, but its not like its a make-or-break scenario.
But the whole MPG is a distraction, due to ridiculous criteria that will 99.99% not be met in real life. Whats the point.
So putting aside the desire to chase artificial, and almost universally irrelevant bureaucratic milestones, I dont really see what this car offers in performance terms above, say, a GTR, besides an astronomical price tag. In fact, I could go further, and suggest that the use of heavy batteries actually decreases the purity of its design purpose.
As for livery; well, you could put a decent paint job on a lot of cars, and they'd look good too. Its ok, sure, but its not like its a make-or-break scenario.
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