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MarkRSi
3,335 posts
87 months
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Article said: ...oh, and punishes you severely if you forget to wind on a few revs when pulling away.
Not even a remap can alter this - it really is wholly reliant on the turbo. Expect the engine to pull you lazily along and you'll go nowhere. Or, stall it. You need throttle movement, to get the gasses flowing, to get the Focus moving. Do not forget this. I'm surprised by this - A brand new Ford Transit minibus I drove last year would raise the idle to 1100-1200rpm when 1st gear was engaged with clutch down, it made pulling away without any throttle easy and smooth. I thought it was a great feature. ... unless you need 2000+ revs to get it going? That can't be good for the clutch shirely?
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tonker
43,756 posts
117 months
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collateral said: Fleets have been running turbo cars for donkey's - DERV.
With the length of warranty you get these days I doubt a major company would bring out an engine expecting it to go bang. they only care that they don't go bang in the warranty period ......
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900T-R
18,559 posts
126 months
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Problem is not the turbo in itself - the turbo is always the first thing to break when something else in the engine is amiss. Turbo damage is 99% of times a symptom rather than a cause of engine failure.
The real challenge with engines like this is the combination of high EGR rates and high-pressure, low volume (per 'squirt') direct fuel injection making the engine very susceptible to contamination (compounded by drivers crawling around at low rpm in a high gear in 'modern' traffic conditions) on one side, and 'optimised' low oil and coolant flow in downsized, high specific power engines on the other. When a vicious circle of less than optimal combustion -> carbon deposits -> worse combustion -> et cetera has started, it needs to be diagnosed and rectified PDQ to avoid major lubrication problems and subsequent component damage, where the olden days, low-to-middling output, port injected N/A engine would have slogged on at slightly inhibited efficiency for another 100,000 miles or so.
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mrtwisty
1,227 posts
34 months
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off_again said: Like the article says - bring on the Fiesta with the same engine and then chip it! The Fiesta is a cracking car and lighter with the higher power - what a combination! Careful ticking of options and get the better wheels etc, and you have a right little belter which driven carefully gets diesel economy! Sod the fester, I want to see one in a mk II Puma - bring it on Ford! (sans rusty arches this time please!)
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thinfourth2
23,517 posts
73 months
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CHIEF said: Is this really that ground breaking? The Daihatsu Charade Gtti was a 3 cylinder 1 litre turbocharged car producing a shade under 100bhp. This was 25 years ago, it won't have the economy but it was in its day a very very nippy little car. http://www.torquestats.com/index.php?car_id=96It was very rare to find one that produced the 99bhp they were meant to Most had a minor tweak to give 125bhp
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Lavs
23 posts
19 months
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BorkFactor said: Very impressive, but surely having to be "on boost" almost all the time won't be good for the life of the turbo? I can't see many of these being useable at 10 years old and 120k without needing a new turbo which will cost half as much as the entire car. Hmmm like my 10 year old E46 320d where the turbo has just expired at 109,000 miles then!
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Shurv
204 posts
29 months
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If you want a frugal 3 cylinder runabout with a nice soundtrack.Get a Toyota Aygo/IQ/Yaris with the 1.0 engine.It makes a great noise, like a V6.My daughter lover hers (IQ), and she gets between 50 and 60mpg.Small engines in big cars was never a good idea, to many stresses on the motor. Big engines in small cars, that's a much better idea.
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Steve_W
722 posts
46 months
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I'm guessing that this is a much more involved/developed/tested (i.e. "proper") remap than some of their old work then?
IIRC, the Superchips "upgrade" for the classic Impreza was a nasty affair that just overpowered the boost cut without adjusting the fueling.
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Chrisw666
20,793 posts
68 months
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mrtwisty said: Sod the fester, I want to see one in a mk II Puma - bring it on Ford! (sans rusty arches this time please!) I think rusty arches should be at least on the options list.
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SystemParanoia
8,500 posts
67 months
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MarkRSi said: I'm surprised by this - A brand new Ford Transit minibus I drove last year would raise the idle to 1100-1200rpm when 1st gear was engaged with clutch down, it made pulling away without any throttle easy and smooth. I thought it was a great feature.
... unless you need 2000+ revs to get it going? That can't be good for the clutch shirely? I have a 1.0 3cyl car, and yes i dial in between 2 and 2.5k rpms when pulling away. completely normal for this type of car
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binnerboy
71 posts
19 months
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seems like a good engine for a kitcar, once they become cheaper
how much does the engine weigh compared to a bike engine of similar power ?
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mackay45
292 posts
40 months
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Funnily enough I just saw a lovely S1 Escort RS Turbo parked up in Chelmsford (C81 ***) - rarely see them anywhere other than Ford shows. A fun comparison but I know which of the two I would rather have the keys to 
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rallycross
4,656 posts
106 months
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Its not really new technology is it?
In 1987 you could buy a new Diahatsu Charade GTi turbo - 1.0 Litre, DOHC, 3 cylinder, 12 valve, turbocharged & intercooled with 100 bhp.
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LongLiveTazio
2,513 posts
66 months
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rallycross said: Its not really new technology is it?
In 1987 you could buy a new Diahatsu Charade GTi turbo - 1.0 Litre, DOHC, 3 cylinder, 12 valve, turbocharged & intercooled with 100 bhp. Yes but this is a Ford, which means journalists will go nuts over it even if it's s  t.
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iain1970
239 posts
31 months
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Great Pretender
23,721 posts
83 months
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Steve_W said: I'm guessing that this is a much more involved/developed/tested (i.e. "proper") remap than some of their old work then?
IIRC, the Superchips "upgrade" for the classic Impreza was a nasty affair that just overpowered the boost cut without adjusting the fueling. Hope so. I once had my M3 remapped with a Superchips flash and it made the car slower!
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0a
8,427 posts
63 months
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mrtwisty said: Sod the fester, I want to see one in a mk II Puma - bring it on Ford! (sans rusty arches this time please!) Too true, there is a hole in the market for a nippy economical coupe.
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0a
8,427 posts
63 months
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Shurv said: If you want a frugal 3 cylinder runabout with a nice soundtrack.Get a Toyota Aygo/IQ/Yaris with the 1.0 engine.It makes a great noise, like a V6.My daughter lover hers (IQ), and she gets between 50 and 60mpg.Small engines in big cars was never a good idea, to many stresses on the motor. Big engines in small cars, that's a much better idea. We found a Yaris 2 years ago for my sister and she loves it. Over 20k miles of city driving she hasn't reset the computer and I looked at the mpg reading the other day - 51mpg, the car cost under £7k brand new (a great deal!), does motoring get any cheaper?
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Hellbound
1,941 posts
45 months
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Caulkhead said: So a 177bhp Fiesta Ecoboost is possible. Shame Ford won't build anything that will obviously be popular and sell well.
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richardaucock
81 posts
32 months
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iain1970 said: Stick this in a Ka. Given the Fiat deal, I was wondering if they'll do a TwinAir Ka at some point...
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