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Face for Radio
1,688 posts
37 months
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andy-xr said: Nature of the beast I think. I rang up the sister company of hire care company 'Mavis' based at SFO to ask if I could swap the mustang I hired for one with a manual box. 300'ish hp, reasonably well refined, completely ruined by an indecisive auto box. Camaro was the same. Turns out the airports dont have any manuals on their inventory.
I dont have the same problems with my X Type, and they should wipe the floor with it. Was quite disappointed. I had more fun in a Focus in Baltimore. I dont seem to remember my 325i E46 having any problems, infact it could change gear quicker than I could at a better change time too American rental companies do not have ANY manuals on their lists as far as I know. This was in 2009. I looked into rental a manual so I could do a few laps of a track I was visiting, the only manuals you will find are from specialist, prestige rental places.
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J4CKO
Original Poster
7,600 posts
70 months
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Just got back and drove our car after the rental, felt like a sports car, steering feel, brake feel handling, power delivery etc, it's a bloody Ford Galaxy and it felt like a revelation after the Dodge Caravan.
I was expecting it to feel weedy with its 140 bhp vs 280 odd but it actually feels more sprightly. I thought I was losing my touch in the mountains, not battering it as fully laden but I felt nervous, the car didn't feel planted, no feedback, ponderous, no driving enjoyment but fairly comfy, not any better than the Ford though, am trying to be objective here and rule out familiarity and the fact I paid for the Galaxy even though it is purely a necessity.
The dodge had a bit more space, the auto was good in town but it did about 25 mpg vs 40 plus, don't think the V6 coupled with the auto is a good combination vs a manual diesel, would be interested to see how an American would get on with the Galaxy or other Euro honed car in comparison, wouldn't even say the Dodge was better for long distance work, found the lack of feedback wearing.
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excel monkey
2,183 posts
97 months
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J4CKO said: it did about 25 mpg Is that US gallons or imperial gallons?
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J4CKO
Original Poster
7,600 posts
70 months
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excel monkey said: J4CKO said: it did about 25 mpg Is that US gallons or imperial gallons? Imperial, I used an online calculator to adjust as it seemed horrendous until I twigged, to be fair, it isnt that bad on fuel and given the cost over there, not that horrendous to run, the engine was plenty powerful enough and given utter death from a standstill, fairly brisk but the accessibility of the power from the diesel lump with the manual box is much better, I guess it is manual vs auto and the fact the diesel has more torque, think the US needs to go diesel for cars like this as they make more sense. The Dodge is around quarter of a tonne heavier than the Ford.
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h0b0
1,501 posts
66 months
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J4CKO said: steering feel, brake feel handling, power delivery...... Dodge Caravan.....in the mountains....... didn't feel planted, no feedback, ponderous, no driving enjoyment but fairly comfy.........The dodge had a bit more space, the auto was good in town. What did you expect from a Dodge caravan RENTAL? I have driven rental and private Charges back to back. The rental had less than 10k miles the private had over 80k miles. The private was 10 times better than the rental. J4CKO said: would be interested to see how an American would get on with the Galaxy or other Euro honed car in comparison, I am not American but I will answer this one for you Average America said: Why would I buy this ford with a tiny engine, no power, half the load capacity at twice the price? You are crazy!
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8potdave
1,201 posts
83 months
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The auto box on my xj8 is very good and thats 14 years old! The only other auto ive owned was a vectra cd and that was garbage! To be fair ive been in more good ones than bad ones! The small irritation is that you plant your foot and theres a slight delay but i can live with that, probably the same time it would take me to clutch in, drop down a gear and let rip in a manual!
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J4CKO
Original Poster
7,600 posts
70 months
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It had twenty one thousand on it, can't imagine with that transmission the previous users could have damaged such that it was down on power and sub standard versus a private one, I just drove it as I would my own car, traffic, safety, the law and avoiding charges from the rental company kick in before I would be able to overwork it, saying that death valley and Yosemite had some steep hills in them.
Neither car is perfect but the Ford is so much more engaging as a drive, don't think they sell it in the us but it's a mondo chassis and they must sell a derivative.
Camaro next month Adam back there with work for a week.
Quite intrigued by the Ford Flex, what is that based on ?
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h0b0
1,501 posts
66 months
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My company car options this time are ford having moved on from Chrysler. The lowest option is the Taurus with most options including leather and satellite radio but only 2wd. We give these out to the new hires and to be fair they are a good car. The big down side is that they are a reverse Tardis. They are the same size as my 300 on the outside but feel cramped inside. They aren't but they feel it. The next level is the Edge with Eco boost. It's a crossover and again is decent. I think Ford have jumped forward in terms of quality since the days all the US car firms were going bankrupt. I do think iris partially because of the European influence. The Eco boost is 2L I4 turbo and the feedback from my reports is that it is better than the previous V6. The next option is Edge with AWD and the V6. The next level is the AWD Flex. My colleagues love it. I hate it. I think it is based on a pimped hearse. For us it comes with gadgets and crap which are always popular. The next level is the Explorer. But, this also comes 2WD and with the 2l engine. I'm going to have one but am worried the engine will not be enough.
We moved from Chrysler because they were making the stereotypical Anerican car. Meaning that the quality had gone down hill at the time of the melt down. Ford seemed to step up and start making good cars. Now, of you sit in a previous generation Taurus you will experience everything that Clarkson ever said about US cars. Now even Chrysler have improved dramatically.
Having said all that I am still holding on to the 300 because for what I need it's great. I do 30k motorway miles. I don't need cornering I need a surge of power to pass slower cars and comfortable seats. For me this car is perfect and has amazing luggage space. We are always amazed how much baby crap we can take with us.
I think you have to remember that traditional US cars were made for a population where Quantity = quality. Meaning that having AC with crap switch gear is better than a beatiful winding window. I think that the US is getting better and I think Europe moving to meet them somewhere in between. I remember my dad paying over 20k for a Volvo in the UK without AC. Now you expect it in a 10k Eco box in a country that barely gets warm. Times change and do have US cars.
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OLDS
122 posts
22 months
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J4CKO said: So, are all autos like this, have driven a few but not for extended periods, what is a modern German auto like in comparison ? The new VW van IS a Dodge Caravan. Some of you are wondering why your rental minivans and suvs are slow. Hilarious.
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davepoth
20,186 posts
69 months
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h0b0 said: I think you have to remember that traditional US cars were made for a population where Quantity = quality. Meaning that having AC with crap switch gear is better than a beatiful winding window. I think that the US is getting better and I think Europe moving to meet them somewhere in between. I remember my dad paying over 20k for a Volvo in the UK without AC. Now you expect it in a 10k Eco box in a country that barely gets warm. Times change and do have US cars. This week, I paid extra to Budget so I could have a Crown Vic when I visit. 
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Toaster Pilot
7,685 posts
28 months
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I drove one of those Dodge Caravan things when I was in the US last month - pretty awful.
If the gear change isn't rough enough for you press the "eco" button! It's like punishment for wanting to save fuel!
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gixxer
82 posts
131 months
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martin84 said: gixxer said: These pics are from the Pacific Northwest. I hail from Seattle. Look! Lovely road. Shame they put 45mph speed limits on them though isnt it. What a stupid comment. Are you Brits that far gone?
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J4CKO
Original Poster
7,600 posts
70 months
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OLDS said: J4CKO said: So, are all autos like this, have driven a few but not for extended periods, what is a modern German auto like in comparison ? The new VW van IS a Dodge Caravan. Some of you are wondering why your rental minivans and suvs are slow. Hilarious. It wasn't slow per se, just slow for 280 odd bhp and the performance difficult to extract, to the point it felt, most of the time slower than the diesel with half the power. The VW Routan is indeed a rebadged Caravan, not the same vehicle as the euro Sharan.
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h0b0
1,501 posts
66 months
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Both the dodge caravan and Crown Vic are from the previous generation of cars. Both are being discontinued.
When I rent I go for an SUV. The bigger the better. I had a GMC Arcadia last time which was entertaining for the 2 of us. If you are not renting for amusement value then a Jeep Cherokee is good all round car. You can also rent a suitible car for the environment. Here are some examples i have done Jeep Wrangler for Hawaii and a Mitsubishi Eclipse for the Pacific coast highway. Mustang convertible for Vegas.
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sparks_E39
6,620 posts
83 months
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The steptronic auto that BMW used in the E39/E36/E38 etc is brilliant.
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Deva Link
26,934 posts
115 months
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h0b0 said:
When I rent I go for an SUV. The bigger the better. I had a GMC Arcadia last time which was entertaining for the 2 of us. If you are not renting for amusement value then a Jeep Cherokee is good all round car.
I always do the same. Had an Acadia a few years ago - boy they're wide - but it was strangely basic. Was bit miffed that I was almost in a Buick Enclave as they didn't have anything else suitable but an Acadia came in as the guy was walking to get the Enclave. I was spoilt last year by Hertz giving me an Escalade. This year a less friendly agent gave me exactly the car I'd booked, a Chevy Equinox, which is the same as the Chevy/Daewoo Captiva / Vx Antara over here, but it had a 3L V6 and the Hertz hire ones (at least the one I got, which was from out-of-state) had leather, reverse camera etc. It even had remote start. For just cruising (you can't really do much else in most of the US) around, it was absolutely ideal.
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CraigyMc
5,267 posts
106 months
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redgriff500 said: martin84 said: Surely the fact they run cars on watered down white spirit has something to do with it? As mentioned they measure it differently. Most of theirs (they get more choice) is better than our 95 This is incorrect. In the USA, they measure octane by averaging RON and MON, calling the result the AKI (Anti Knock Index). Since MON is always a lower number than RON for road fuels, the numbers they sell by come out lower. This has led to people thinking that fuels in the USA are crap by comparison (because they don't know about AKI versus RON), or in your case that they are better, because you know the measurement isn't identical but don't know the actual figures involved. The bit I disagree mostly with is this: redgriff500 said: Most of theirs (they get more choice) is better than our 95 In the Western part of the US (thinking CA here), it's virtually impossible (short of a specialist) to get anything above 95RON, which is sold there as 91AKI. In California, 93AKI (98RON or 99RON Super Unleaded) is something you'd have to buy by the barrel from a race gas dealer - it's not something you will find in a petrol station. You'd probably have no problem getting race gas from sunoco or similar, and at significantly higher octane ratings than general road fuels require (eg. it's possible to get 110RON, although it's not street legal). It's easier to get what we call 99RON in the East, but the quote above about "most of theirs is better than ours" is just tosh. In fact, the truth is that it is quite possible to get sub-95RON fuel in the US, which you won't find for sale in the UK: regular gas is 87AKI, which is about 92RON. Consequently, GB fuel is on average higher octane than the USA, and our lowest standard is higher then their lowest. Our highest standard is something you can't buy in lots of states. By the by, we don't have the highest octane pump fuel in the world: Aral still sell 102RON in Germany, and while it's expensive it's not the 2.5x premium that BP were selling the stuff at from their 102RON test. C
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Wills2
5,496 posts
45 months
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I have the latest ZF 8 speeder in my 5 series, its OK but can get caught out and leave you in limbo especially when approaching junctions at low speeds and attempting to nip out into traffic.
It also seems to have moods, often it's quick witted and snaps through the gears other times it goes to sleep and hesitates.
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GC8
9,820 posts
60 months
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gixxer said: What a stupid comment. Are you Brits that far gone? Had you noticed that youve been almost completely ignored? If you were less of a tool then the other children would play with you.
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petrolsniffer
1,670 posts
44 months
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gixxer said: Nah! Just thumbing my nose at the Brits. Not you. The Brits like to whine and moan all the time anyway, that's what the OP was doing. And there are lots of twisty roads in the US, but depends where you live, I guess. These pics are from the Pacific Northwest. I hail from Seattle. Look! Another empty twisty road...  So how many bored county cops with a speed gun sit on those roads?
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