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scarble
2,034 posts
27 months
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vixen1700 said: Good examples of these could be quite sought after, but reckon they'll bottom out even further first. I've always fancied one of these, they may be big and wallowy but one day you will make some Audi/BMW/Merc or even Bentley drivers feel a bit silly 
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vixen1700
6,588 posts
140 months
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scarble said: I've always fancied one of these, they may be big and wallowy but one day you will make some Audi/BMW/Merc or even Bentley drivers feel a bit silly Yeah, I'm keeping an eye on these as a Sunday best car for when I get to that pipe and slippers stage. 
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Bemmer
494 posts
72 months
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For me it would be BMW 1M and Z4M Coupe and a bit older but i think the 840 Sport will be a future classic. 
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blearyeyedboy
2,588 posts
49 months
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Old shape Audi TT's and current Jag XF's are too commonplace. They may become classics once time has ravaged them (in the fashion of the once-plentiful Mk 2 Escort) but not until most have been scrapped. That won't be for a long time.
I think the EP3 Civic Type R might swing it. Same for Integra Type R's. Find a good one and it probably won't lose value, even now.
The original series Clio Williams? Maybe not but certainly the Renault Avantime isn't going to lose any more now and a Renault Spider must be a good long term bet too.
Lotus Europa values have stayed steady for a long time!
I would put money into a good Z3M coupé now if I had it. In 5 years or so, I'd put money into a Z4C, and a Z4M if I could. The drop tops are too commonplace; the interesting style and relative rarity will likely make the coupés more sought after in time.
But very, very few people who want to drive a car to enjoy it will make money from it. You might minimise the costs of your hobby by choosing wisely though.
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vixen1700
6,588 posts
140 months
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blearyeyedboy said: Lotus Europa values have stayed steady for a long time! Think I've only ever seen one on the road.
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scarble
2,034 posts
27 months
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blearyeyedboy said: The original series Clio Williams? Maybe not but certainly the Renault Avantime isn't going to lose any more now and a Renault Spider must be a good long term bet too.
[/small] Clio Williams, it may be a bit special but I suspect they'll all get scrapped/wrecked, nice idea but not much poke/kit and no really special engineering, just a bit of a tweak and a badge, still looks like a clio, no wide body or anything. Renault Spiders are just a bit s**t really, from what I've heard. Espace F1 though? Racing Puma I think is already getting a bit collectible.
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blearyeyedboy
2,588 posts
49 months
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scarble said: Clio Williams, it may be a bit special but I suspect they'll all get scrapped/wrecked, nice idea but not much poke/kit and no really special engineering, just a bit of a tweak and a badge, still looks like a clio, no wide body or anything. Renault Spiders are just a bit s**t really, from what I've heard. Espace F1 though? Racing Puma I think is already getting a bit collectible. Clio Williams was a significant workover, but that's not the point really. The point is what would happen to their values- and Since the Clio sat on the front of many car magazines for a year or so, it may feature as someone's toy. Ditto the Spider. How good (or not) it is is irrelevant. EDIT: The Espace F1 was a one off that became a classic the day it was built. I still really want one! 
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Mouse1903
516 posts
23 months
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Not too sure yet on current cars but some in the past 15 years...
Honda Civic (2006 - 2012, looks ahead of it's time and more modern that it's replacement!)
VW Lupo
Audi A2
VW Passat W8 / R32
Citreon C6
Ford Fiesta Zetec-S (Mk5) / Puma
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scarble
2,034 posts
27 months
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Mouse1903 said: Not too sure yet on current cars but some in the past 15 years...
Honda Civic (2006 - 2012, looks ahead of it's time and more modern that it's replacement!)
VW Lupo
Audi A2
VW Passat W8 / R32
Citreon C6
Ford Fiesta Zetec-S (Mk5) / Puma smh.
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Gaz.
47,315 posts
121 months
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pwrc said: 300bhp/ton said: Cars like the RX-8 should be classics, but sadly the Gen 1 and 2 RX-7's don't hint as a rosy future. rx8 certainly deserves it, and the way mazda seems to be moving away from rotary engines means that it holds an important place in automotive history. the reputation they have though, it'll need some brave people to keep them going for the future. Not a hope. The RX8 is a car with absolutey no direct rival at all yet they are depreciating so fast they'll be available on a multibuy BOGOF deal if they don't find a 'bottom of the curve' soon, there's also the small matter of 21,000 of the things still in existance in the UK. S2000 is doubtful when the Z4M roadster is £2-3k more, like for like. My money is on the 1M, Corvette wide-bodies, mk2 Focus RS, & 911 GT3 especially the 4.0 RS.
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white_goodman
Original Poster
669 posts
61 months
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300bhp/ton said: I think Jap cars might be the oddball ones. Currently truly great Jap classics are generally pretty worthless, just look at the price of an RX-7, 300ZX Z31 type of thing.
I hope the DC2 ITR makes it, people today seem so much more accepting and with a real want and like to Jap performance cars, that just seems to have been missing in the past.
To this extent maybe an Evo 6 TM might be sought after at some point.
I also suspect given enough time R53 supercharged MINI Cooper S's will become collectible.
GT86 I'm not so sure of, think it might end up like the 200SX. Liked by some, but not really seen as a classic, at least not yet. Maybe in another 20 years or so.
Current Corvette, Camaro, Mustang and Challenger will probably all be classics, already are in some ways. The less common models like a Grand Sport, z06, ZL1, Shelby will be the collectors choices.
Audi R8.
smart Roadster (will be an oddball choice instead of a Lotus or MG I suspect in years to come, Brabus version more so).
Focus RS both MK's. Some worthy choices there 300bhp/ton but not all less than 2 years old. It would be easy to nominate cars up to 10 years old but I specifically said new or up to 2 years old to allow for limited runs like the Alfa 8C, BMW 1M Coupe and Focus RS which some have already mentioned. I probably agree with you about the GT86. It's a really important car for Toyota but hasn't really proved itself yet (was just trying to nominate some more affordable new cars as well). Stuff like the Audi R8, Nissan GTR and BMW M3 (last naturally-aspirated M-car?) have probably earnt/deserve future classic status more. Not sure about the new retro crop of cars (MINI, 500, Beetle) etc, although I've seen the new, new Beetle and I rather like it! It's like the original "new" Beetle should have been. Not sure how successful it will be given the iffy image of the original "new" Beetle though. You could say the same of the retro Mustang and Camaro to a certain extent, although at least the line is continuous I suppose!
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white_goodman
Original Poster
669 posts
61 months
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pwrc said: the original was just that though, and holds so much more value as a classic than the modern version will ever do. The original was a game changer in terms of small car design; what separates the new 500 from every other hatchback in the market? Styling and level of personalisation available?
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white_goodman
Original Poster
669 posts
61 months
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Vocal Minority said: I would also differentiate between classic and iconic.
EG. I would call the Mini, Beetle, original 500, e type etc Iconic rather than classic. E-Type NOT classic?
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s3fella
6,540 posts
57 months
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Hyundai i10.
We will be drooling over their beigeness in 50 yrs time.
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mikeh501
332 posts
51 months
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Eliser
992 posts
97 months
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Really strange how classics are perceived - value?, icon status?, rareity? A Lotus Elite (original) satisfies all 3 An E type satisfies 2 (not rare) A Morris Marina satisfies just one of the criteria, as no one was bothered about preserving such a mundane car, but it has a following  I don't really see how the present crop of dreary cars will have much more of a following than perhaps the Marina has? - now the less run of the mill stuff - as above. will always have a following in years hence due to the aspirational lot we all are - couldn't afford 'em then, but can now 
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Eighteeteewhy
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38 months
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white_goodman
Original Poster
669 posts
61 months
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Difficult to imagine now as they are so plentiful and not really cherished but the mk1 Ford Ka deserves to be afuture classic as much as the original mini, Fiat 500 and VW Beetle IMHO.
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Jimmy No Hands
1,860 posts
26 months
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jaik said: Clio 200 Cup, perhaps, as the last of the NA RenaultSport Clios. Not sure if it'll be up there with the Trophy though. I hope so!
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Yiliterate
1,472 posts
76 months
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I'd pick the Clio V6 over the Williams...
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