RE: Jaguar F-Type confirmed for Paris

[kambites]

Hammy13 said:

The new alfa 4c is rumoured to be around 40,000ish. It might make a decent alternative and certainly looks the part!

Rather different type of car if they stick to the original plans for the 4C - half the weight to start with.

[MacR8A5]

I put some money down on one a few months back in the hope that it will look like the show car inside & out.

Have to wait and see but looking promising I think. May have to nip over to Paris......

[ecs0set]

Pistonheads said:

Jaguar is also dropping in a revised version of its supercharged 5.0-litre V8.

Praise the lord! Hallelujah!

Pistonheads said:

Every motor feeds the rear wheels via an eight-speed gearbox.

You what?

[GW65]

300bhp/ton said:

CarsGoVroom said:

Raitzi said:

Not released, 1600kg was presented previously with concept. I hope it is light. At least lighter than bulky corvette.

I think we can all say with confidence it will be 1600kg, at its heaviest, with the 5.0V8 SC engine. The XK is around 1650kg with 2 extra seats.

Corvette weighs from as little as 1469kg thru to around 1522kg or so.

...and that's for the current C6 Corvette. The new C7 launches next year and will likely be lighter still. Even if you believe the official figures, Jags aren't really light - and they always seem to come out 100kg+ heavier than the claimed figures when road-testers put them on the scales....

[JTJ]

" Jaguar is also dropping in a revised version of its supercharged 5.0-litre V8. 500hp ought to be enough"

Doubt that it will make it, unless "revised" means downsized, which makes more since, as much as it's a great engine, it feels to big for the f-types size, plus the 5L is already four years old, and the F is an all new car that shouldn't carryover an old engine.

I really wanted to see a straight six under the bonnet.

[Wills2]

richb77 said:

As much as I love Porsches of old (bar the 911, the the modern range is pretty dyer I.M.O) someone needs to take the fight to them.

I'm sorry but..... and a

The new Boxster and 991 are unbelievably good, have you driven one??????

[irocfan]

GW65 said:

300bhp/ton said:

CarsGoVroom said:

Raitzi said:

Not released, 1600kg was presented previously with concept. I hope it is light. At least lighter than bulky corvette.

I think we can all say with confidence it will be 1600kg, at its heaviest, with the 5.0V8 SC engine. The XK is around 1650kg with 2 extra seats.

Corvette weighs from as little as 1469kg thru to around 1522kg or so.

...and that's for the current C6 Corvette. The new C7 launches next year and will likely be lighter still. Even if you believe the official figures, Jags aren't really light - and they always seem to come out 100kg+ heavier than the claimed figures when road-testers put them on the scales....

ah but don'cha no dat all Yanks are made outta pig-iron and weight more than a battleship innit - 'sides Jezza say day got cartsprings so must be crap. Respec

[RacerMike]

GW65 said:

Jags aren't really light - and they always seem to come out 100kg+ heavier than the claimed figures when road-testers put them on the scales....

That's the same with plenty of manufacturers though. The GT3RS is around 100kg heavier than quoted as the cage is a free 'optional extra' and hence, the book weight is without it!

[Raitzi]

I think not making coupe first was a mistake. Also car looks small but I hope it is really different and not weight like a Jag. And also comparing this 4C seems silly to me as 4C has a weight of 9xx kg and MR-layout.

[Raitzi]

Another weight target maximum could be 1425 kg which is the weight of 997.2 Carrera S. That has rear seats so going under that should not be that hard.

[mrclav]

Pr1964 said:

Who on earth could get excited about it?

Who on earth? Me. I'm a 30-something single man with no kids so I'm not even a Dad, much less a granddad. In fact, if this comes in at around £50k, I'll be buying one of these as my next car over a Boxster/Caymen or any equivalent BMW or Mercedes. So your point is?

Pr1964 said:

This thing looks like yet another special for Grandad.

How so exactly? Please enlighten us all with your superior and evidently non-stereotypical/cliched knowledge.

Pr1964 said:

Cock Cack....

Er, what?

[Agoogy]

Pr1964 said:

This car looks like yet another boring sack of st from jaguar.
Who on earth could get excited about it?
A grandad looking to upgrade?
It looks just like every other large engined British convertible "sports" car boring boring boring.

A long way from the passion of Ferrari Porsche even an old Renault Alpine has that something different.

This thing looks like yet another special for Grandad.

I mean even the Japanese can do presence and powerful !!!!

Cock Cack....

'in your opinion', which I think you'll find is in the minority...in my opinion you should find another passion, because even the most hateful, pathetic, biased and mistaken, mentally ill fan boy couldn't deny this thing looks beautiful....and distinct

[DonkeyApple]

Agoogy said:

'in your opinion', which I think you'll find is in the minority...in my opinion you should find another passion, because even the most hateful, pathetic, biased and mistaken, mentally ill fan boy couldn't deny this thing looks beautiful....and distinct

The only sad thing is that modern regs seem to make it very difficult to create real sleekness and many cars end up looking a bit 'stubby' as a result.

I think that if drivers can manage to not drive on pavents then pedestrians should make an effort to not walk in roads so we can have more better looking cars.

[Agoogy]

DonkeyApple said:

The only sad thing is that modern regs seem to make it very difficult to create real sleekness and many cars end up looking a bit 'stubby' as a result.

to extent I agree...however short front and rear overhangs are (to me) the goal...and really help in the proportion and overall aesthetic integrity of the final look...

[MiniMan64]

Pr1964 said:

This car looks like yet another boring sack of st from jaguar.
Who on earth could get excited about it?
A grandad looking to upgrade?
It looks just like every other large engined British convertible "sports" car boring boring boring.

A long way from the passion of Ferrari Porsche even an old Renault Alpine has that something different.

This thing looks like yet another special for Grandad.


I mean even the Japanese can do presence and powerful !!!!

Cock Cack....

Edited by Pr1964 on Saturday 11th August 06:51

Do you just go around this forum disagreeing with anyone you can find? I realise we all have our own tastes and opinions but I do not see how you can decree this a "grandad car". Jag have serious moved away from that image with their current range.

throne444 said:

I'm sure it'll look great, but I'm disappointed it just looks like a mini XK, rather than more like one of the early prototypes:

That one was nice but I always prefered the XK180 concept...

[Wills2]

Anyone disappointed it doesn't have a manual or double clutch option?

I'm surprised they're launching a sports car with a slush box the ZF 8 speeder is good but it seems and odd choice for Jaguars most focused car for years.

[peter450]

PhantomPH said:

I'm really struggling seeing where this fits into the range - just seems too close to the cabrio XK.

£50k (rumoured) for a 2-seat Jag would make me look very long and hard at the brand's track record for residuals, build quality, etc. compared to the competition (Porsche for example).

Dunno - I really want to love this, but I have a funny feeling it's just going to be priced too high to compete with the new Boxster/Coxster's of this world...and don't even get started on a slightly used XKR...

Jaguar are getting more expensive, not less, the new XK when it arrives is rumoured to be getting pitched at a higher price point

Luxuary car brands are doing pretty well, JLR are currently generating a huge amount of the parent companies profit, and it seems the stragetgy being pursued is to push the current offerings further up the Lux brand tree, with new models slotting in below

The current lineup is at Jaguar/Land Rover is pretty strong, which is reflected in gorwing sales and profits.

Ford's forced sale of the there premium marques, created a real bargain oportunity and IMO the JLR bit of it was arguably the best part with real scope for future expansion, the Indian's for the most part seem to have snapped it up with relish, if they can maintain there current momentum, and really get established with stable volumes and a complete premium lineup from 20k to 200k the company could well be worth more than Ford in 15 years time

Also dont get to hung up on Porsche residuals, higher volumes + the much higher running costs and electronic complexity on these cars are going to have a big imapct of values when they get older. Look how cheap you can get early boxsters for now, compared to an Elise a car that was a lot cheaper to start with....

[TomJackUK]

Don't see where it fits into the range? It is a completely different car to the XK!

[Jimbo.]

"Blah blah blah ugly...blah blah boring...blah blah blah power...blah blah blah auto...blah blah blah...rubbish"

Pistonheads: where not having seen nor driven the car in question actually matters.

[offshorematt2]

RJ59 Racing said:

... now just need to go and chat with the local Jaguar dealer who seems to know nothing yet about cars imminent release!

I was in the Inverness Jag dealer today, and the salesman seemed very knowledgeable about the F-type. Described the three engine specs is some detail. His dealership have taken three deposits already apparently - he has been told the first demonstrators would be in the dealers by spring 2013. On the topic of price, he said 51-82k depending on the engine. I would guess that once you add some options they'll be 60k cars not 50k cars... surely that price puts them more into 911 territory rather than cayman?