Return of the hot rod?

[300bhp/ton]

Hugo a Gogo said:

300bhp/ton said:

Me too. However all I was saying before is, if it's meant to be a pre 1949 (as someone else/others ie NOT me have stated). Then many what I'd consider to be rods would not count based on this. Personally I think the age thing is a bit daft, but it's even dafter to make such a rule and then ignore it some of the time.

don't be silly

A glassfibre 32 ford built in 2012 is still a 32

To what extent?

First off - lets establish I DO indeed count them as rods. But...

-Are all these '32s built off an original chassis? As in does the DVLA recognise them as a 193x car or do some need IVA'ing and either end up with a newer donor reg or indeed a completely new registration?

-If you have a glassfibre 32 on a custom chassis running a non period axle and a non period steering and something like a Chevy SBC. Really apart from the basic shape, which parts of it are actually 1930's?

I'm sure with a rational head on you'll see exactly what I'm saying, although based on this thread and past experience I'm not hopeful. But here goes...


Is this a 1968 vehicle because it's "styled" to look like one?


Or maybe this as an even closer example:

It might look like an Austin Healey, but it isn't. Appearance is the only thing it shares and was built in the late 1990's/00 and isn't a kit car. So is it a 90's or 50's car?


00's or 60's?


There are more.

Is this 40's, 50's, 70's or 80's?

This has a genuine early Series I body, does this means it's really a period 40's or 50's vehicle? It's modified (a bit like rodding I guess ) with different engine, custom chassis, steering, suspension (V8, coils, PAS), different axles.

[aeropilot]

300bhp/ton said:

-Are all these '32s built off an original chassis? As in does the DVLA recognise them as a 193x car or do some need IVA'ing and either end up with a newer donor reg or indeed a completely new registration?

-If you have a glassfibre 32 on a custom chassis running a non period axle and a non period steering and something like a Chevy SBC. Really apart from the basic shape, which parts of it are actually 1930's?

Some do, some don’t.

It depends largely on what style you are building.

I certainly know of ‘turnkey’ ’32 Fords that have been registered with period plates by DVLA. These though have generally been built ‘traditional style’ on new ‘reproduction’ frame rails, and using new but period style suspension with solid axles, cross-plies, dropped beam fronts, original or original style grille shells, period style interiors, opening front screens, original style fuel tanks, and ‘period’ rebuilt engines, whether a flatty or say original format rebuilt SBC.

However, a ‘modern’ non-authentic styled plastic bodied ’32 or other, with custom chassis with front and rear IRS, 20” billet rims and billet everywhere fittings and digital gauges and a FI’d LS crate engine etc would likely need SVA’ing or end up on a Q plate etc.

There’s no definitve yes or no answer as it’s depends on how you build it and with what style of parts.

[Hugo a Gogo]

300bhp/ton said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

300bhp/ton said:

Me too. However all I was saying before is, if it's meant to be a pre 1949 (as someone else/others ie NOT me have stated). Then many what I'd consider to be rods would not count based on this. Personally I think the age thing is a bit daft, but it's even dafter to make such a rule and then ignore it some of the time.

don't be silly

A glassfibre 32 ford built in 2012 is still a 32

To what extent?

First off - lets establish I DO indeed count them as rods. But...

-Are all these '32s built off an original chassis? As in does the DVLA recognise them as a 193x car or do some need IVA'ing and either end up with a newer donor reg or indeed a completely new registration?

-If you have a glassfibre 32 on a custom chassis running a non period axle and a non period steering and something like a Chevy SBC. Really apart from the basic shape, which parts of it are actually 1930's?

I'm sure with a rational head on you'll see exactly what I'm saying, although based on this thread and past experience I'm not hopeful. But here goes...


Is this a 1968 vehicle because it's "styled" to look like one?


Or maybe this as an even closer example:

It might look like an Austin Healey, but it isn't. Appearance is the only thing it shares and was built in the late 1990's/00 and isn't a kit car. So is it a 90's or 50's car?


00's or 60's?


There are more.

Is this 40's, 50's, 70's or 80's?

This has a genuine early Series I body, does this means it's really a period 40's or 50's vehicle? It's modified (a bit like rodding I guess ) with different engine, custom chassis, steering, suspension (V8, coils, PAS), different axles.

ffs, 30s and 40s STYLE is what I've said all along, not original fecking steering columns or springs

yes, the healey rep is a 50s style car, the LR is 50s or 40s STYLE

that CJ5 (I think) Jeep is a 50s design

many trucks and commercial vehicles, as I would consider the LR or Jeep, aren't really 'styled' as such though, are they? just functional

the Jag and the Ford GT have certain 60s styling cues, that's all.

OK?

a Hot Rod is 20s/30s/40s STYLE car, modified for speed/performance or at least the appearance of performance

you can try and find loopholes etc, but that's the gist of my opinion, and I suspect many other people's

[Cotty]

LiamM45 said:

weight transfer, rather common on big bhp front wheel drive drag cars.

simply, front of the car lifts under acceleration, weight goes to rear, so to negate this and try to stop the weight transfer and keep the grip at the front wheels, some run rather extreme wheelie bars.

If they have that much of an issue why not just run RWD

[Hugo a Gogo]

Cotty said:

LiamM45 said:

weight transfer, rather common on big bhp front wheel drive drag cars.

simply, front of the car lifts under acceleration, weight goes to rear, so to negate this and try to stop the weight transfer and keep the grip at the front wheels, some run rather extreme wheelie bars.

If they have that much of an issue why not just run RWD

presumably to win that class

other wise everyone would drag race top fuel

[300bhp/ton]

Hugo a Gogo said:

but that's the gist of my opinion, and I suspect many other people's

Yet if you read all of this thread it's quite transparent that all opinions are not the same. For example Streetrod seems to be of the view that it really does have to be a pre 49 vehicle to count, even saying a Beetle rod either would or wouldn't count depending on the year. That's rather significantly different to just "in the style of".

Personally I don't mind either way, but surely you can see there is no uniformity or actual consensus, all I've done is question these "opinions" and pointed out many are contradictory. Rarely have I tried to dictate what is or isn't.

[S2Mike]

OK?

a Hot Rod is 20s/30s/40s STYLE car, modified for speed/performance or at least the appearance of performance

you can try and find loopholes etc, but that's the gist of my opinion, and I suspect many other people's


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Thats exactly it .
What Hugo a Gogo says.!!

[Streetrod]

300bhp/ton said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

but that's the gist of my opinion, and I suspect many other people's

Yet if you read all of this thread it's quite transparent that all opinions are not the same. For example Streetrod seems to be of the view that it really does have to be a pre 49 vehicle to count, even saying a Beetle rod either would or wouldn't count depending on the year. That's rather significantly different to just "in the style of".

Personally I don't mind either way, but surely you can see there is no uniformity or actual consensus, all I've done is question these "opinions" and pointed out many are contradictory. Rarely have I tried to dictate what is or isn't.

300bhp, you are misunderstanding my comments. I stand by the pre 49 comments as that is the requirement that has been laid down by rodders themselves for over 50 years. The fact that the car is steel or glass fibre does not come into it, as it’s the style of the body that is the important factor. Without reproduction bodies the hobby would be nowhere near as popular as it is now. The supply of original bodies and parts is very finite. In fact an original steel 33/34 body is getting into the silly price bracket now.

We are now at a point where various companies are actually reproducing replica steel bodies of 30/31 A's, 32' B,’s, 33/34's, and 40/41's Fords. You can even buy a brand new steel 55 - 57 Chevy. The cost of tooling up to produce these bodies is huge but the demand makes them economically viable.

So just let me state again just so that you are absolutely clear, the term "Hotrod" applies to a pre 49 body style. It’s a universally accepted term that was introduced by Hotrodders for Hotrodders. The various other terms be they Custom, Kustom, Streetrod, Streetmachine etc etc all have historical significance and can be applied accordingly.

There is no point in you trying to dissect a situation that has been in place for generations and is accepted by all those involved.

Now if you have any other questions about the hobby please feel free to ask, I don’t pretend to be the ultimate Hotrod historian but it a world I have been entrenched in for over 35 years so hopefully I might have something of interest to add.

[S2Mike]

If you get yourself down to the Ace Cafe on Wednesday 5th September its Hot Rod Night End of Summer Riot!
You will get your answer there if you are in any doubt!

[irocfan]

300bhp/ton said:

Me too. However all I was saying before is, if it's meant to be a pre 1949 (as someone else/others ie NOT me have stated). Then many what I'd consider to be rods would not count based on this. Personally I think the age thing is a bit daft, but it's even dafter to make such a rule.

sooo similar to 10974 and 2006 tax brackets then <grin>

[300bhp/ton]

Streetrod said:

Now if you have any other questions about the hobby please feel free to ask, I don’t pretend to be the ultimate Hotrod historian but it a world I have been entrenched in for over 35 years so hopefully I might have something of interest to add.

Here's one. Are there any more big gatherings/shows this year? I used to regularly attend the Shuttleworth and Hearts Show Ground events, but I feel I've been absent for too many years and would like to go again. The last one I went to was over at Bovvy airfield, although that must be more years ago than I should have allowed.

[300bhp/ton]

S2Mike said:

If you get yourself down to the Ace Cafe on Wednesday 5th September its Hot Rod Night End of Summer Riot!
You will get your answer there if you are in any doubt!

Thanks, I might well do that. Easy run to the Ace Cafe for me. Wonder if there'll be any customs, street rods and the like there too on a hot rod night

[Streetrod]

300bhp/ton said:

Streetrod said:

Now if you have any other questions about the hobby please feel free to ask, I don’t pretend to be the ultimate Hotrod historian but it a world I have been entrenched in for over 35 years so hopefully I might have something of interest to add.

Here's one. Are there any more big gatherings/shows this year? I used to regularly attend the Shuttleworth and Hearts Show Ground events, but I feel I've been absent for too many years and would like to go again. The last one I went to was over at Bovvy airfield, although that must be more years ago than I should have allowed.

Yep the biggest UK event is just around the corner, The Streetrod Nationals in Ipswich is happening over the Bank Holiday, well worth a visit.

http://www.rodandcustom.co.uk/events-nationals.htm...

[aeropilot]

300bhp/ton said:

S2Mike said:

If you get yourself down to the Ace Cafe on Wednesday 5th September its Hot Rod Night End of Summer Riot!
You will get your answer there if you are in any doubt!

Thanks, I might well do that. Easy run to the Ace Cafe for me. Wonder if there'll be any customs, street rods and the like there too on a hot rod night

Yes is the answer to that

(and I'll be going as well)

[irocfan]

Streetrod said:

300bhp/ton said:

Streetrod said:

Now if you have any other questions about the hobby please feel free to ask, I don’t pretend to be the ultimate Hotrod historian but it a world I have been entrenched in for over 35 years so hopefully I might have something of interest to add.

Here's one. Are there any more big gatherings/shows this year? I used to regularly attend the Shuttleworth and Hearts Show Ground events, but I feel I've been absent for too many years and would like to go again. The last one I went to was over at Bovvy airfield, although that must be more years ago than I should have allowed.

Yep the biggest UK event is just around the corner, The Streetrod Nationals in Ipswich is happening over the Bank Holiday, well worth a visit.

http://www.rodandcustom.co.uk/events-nationals.htm...

THE BEST show of the year bar none IMO... a great mixture of yanks, rods (hot, street and misc lol) and classics. Normally very friendly

[Crafty_]

But before that is the south coast internationals this weekend : http://www.southcoastinternationals.com/

New venue this year but the wheelers know how to put on a decent show, weather is looking good too

[LiamM45]

Cotty said:

If they have that much of an issue why not just run RWD

and a RWD car won't need a wheelie bar?

some people like the challenge of building a fast fwd car, myself included.

[King Herald]

Cotty said:

If they have that much of an issue why not just run RWD

You could say the same to rear wheel drive car with wheelie bars: Why not run less power?

[mrloudly]

King Herald said:

You could say the same to rear wheel drive car with wheelie bars: Why not run less power?

"Less power"

[Cotty]

Crafty_ said:

Now that looks fantastic