RE: PH Fleet: BMW M5 (E28)

[fushion julz]

Chris Harris said:

Understood.

Send me a list and I'll what there is. Assuming I'm not going to drop a fortune re-shelling it!

I reckon you could reshell it under £5k including a respray to the donor shell to match the original colour...assuming you can do some prep work and the mechanics yourself, of course...

You have most, if not all, of the M parts already available...a new VIN scuttle panel from BMW is only circa £300 IIRC and a decent shell is only going to cost a few hundred, at most...The 518 suggested and linked @ £250 would probably only require another £200 or so in welding (assuming the description is close to accurate) and you'd also have a few spare bits to keep or sell on...

Also
You can certainly race it in the Kumho BMW Racing Drivers club series (no homologation required see http://www.bmwrdc.com/)...Most folk use E36/E46 M3s, now, with the odd E30 M3, but the E28 M5 motor can be pretty much just as powerful and reliable as the later 3.0/3.2 units and the shell isn't substantially heavier...

[Shipper]

Cheburator mk2 said:

Chris,

BMW never raced the M5 - it had to have 5000 made to qualify for the ETC. The M635CSi was never raced either. Instead they raced the 635CSi with great success, using a breathed on M30 12v pushing out around 260-ish bhp. Many teams raced the E28 with the 2.8 M30 version... In fact the E28 came 2nd in 1984 and 1985 at the N'ring 24hrs...

Now, I am off to stroke my beard...

The M635csi was raced in 1984 in the australian touring car championships by the frank Gardner JPS racing team. Jim Richards was at the helm. The car actually ran the M1 engine as the later M88 was not available. The category was Group C. From 1985 onwards the car ran the m30b34 engine in Group A with a reported 280hp, although 350hp was probably closer to the real hp.

Check out the JPS car here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjKLE4jREwM

[Andysywv]

Chris Harris said:

Andysywv said:

I had the very great fortune to own D547YWV from 1988 for a few fab years.
Sorry to see that she's had a bit of a rough ride recently ! I've used the YWV part almost ever since, as the lasting impression is still rather strong.

That is extremely cool.

I think not quite as cool as being able to see how things pan out from now on, almost as good as being reunited

[cjm]

Have you not had a hunt around at the side of the road for the wheel centre, you can see it flying off in the clip as you drifting round the corner?

[Tyrewrecker]

cjm said:

Have you not had a hunt around at the side of the road for the wheel centre, you can see it flying off in the clip as you drifting round the corner?

It was found, IIRC.

[Dave Hedgehog]

Shipper said:

The M635csi was raced in 1984 in the australian touring car championships by the frank Gardner JPS racing team. Jim Richards was at the helm. The car actually ran the M1 engine as the later M88 was not available. The category was Group C. From 1985 onwards the car ran the m30b34 engine in Group A with a reported 280hp, although 350hp was probably closer to the real hp.

Check out the JPS car here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjKLE4jREwM

great race

[namnol]

Definately can race in the Khumo series. Its done on power to weight so will be competitive in a class. There was a guy racing a M535 E28 and there was also a E34 M5 out..... going back 10 years. Def worth making into a race car....

You then just need a driver!

[Output Flange]

namnol said:

Definately can race in the Khumo series. Its done on power to weight so will be competitive in a class. There was a guy racing a M535 E28 and there was also a E34 M5 out..... going back 10 years. Def worth making into a race car....

You then just need a driver!

It'd have to run in either Class A, or the Invitation class though. In Class A you'd be going up against E36 and E46 M3s that have had £40k+ invested in the builds, and in the Invitation class you don't score championship points.

[chris116]

If it is possible I would try and put it back on the road as they are so rare now, although I appreciate it will cost a lot to do so.

I saw a thread recently about a written off E92 M3 that was repaired after hitting something on the rear corner (I think that was a tree as well). Considering the damage that was done to it I was amazed that it was possible to repair it and put it back on the road.

[jamespink]

fushion julz said:

That shell is, unfortunately, toast....

The good news is that any E28 shell could be used to rebuild/reshell the M5 as all the M specific parts are still OK, other than one rear brake and hub assembly.

Given how rare/scarce the E28 M5 is in RHD, I'd be on a mission to reshell it. If you have the paperwork for the damaged car a new VIN panel can be ordered from BMW to graft in to the new shell, too.

Its not your type of thing Chris but the prospect of producing a georgeous reshell car from all the M5 parts and a 518 donor would be tempting indeed, how hard could it be?

[AdeV]

You can race it in loads of formulae. The homologation rules are set by the championship organiser, not the FIA (unless they are also the championship organiser) - e.g. for Class A CNC Heads Sports Saloons Championship, only 25 models must have been manufactured for road use. For Class D (which your twisted example would get into no bother), 250 must have been manufactured for road use.

Nothing about previous race homologation, etc.

There's already a BMW M3 racing in class D, and he's pretty damn fast too, his is a newer one than yours (sorry, I don't know the E numbers off by heart).

[namnol]

Output Flange said:

namnol said:

Definately can race in the Khumo series. Its done on power to weight so will be competitive in a class. There was a guy racing a M535 E28 and there was also a E34 M5 out..... going back 10 years. Def worth making into a race car....

You then just need a driver!

It'd have to run in either Class A, or the Invitation class though. In Class A you'd be going up against E36 and E46 M3s that have had £40k+ invested in the builds, and in the Invitation class you don't score championship points.

Hadn't looked recently but you're right, they have cc limits on the classes now. I know for sure the E28 ran in class C 10+ years ago. I think you could still have a crack but you would have a pretty car due to the rubbing :-)

[fushion julz]

Output Flange said:

It'd have to run in either Class A, or the Invitation class though. In Class A you'd be going up against E36 and E46 M3s that have had £40k+ invested in the builds, and in the Invitation class you don't score championship points.

It would be in class A due to the engine being >3.0 litres.
However, spending £40k+ on building a car does not, in any way, guarantee a win or for it to be front running, even.
It is quite possible to build a competitive Kumho car for half of that...or less.

I'll volounteer to drive it, too!

It's a few years ago, now, but I did build and race a 2002Ti replica in the Kumho championship...the car cost <£9k all-in...including the base shell...and £4k of that was the engine!
I ran in class B, but the car was a regular top 10 finisher and in the top 3 in class, mostly...
There is currently a chap running a (very competitive) E36 compact with a 318 motor in class A (so must be very light)

[AyBee]

Sounds like racing it will cost more than re-shelling, although you'll have to re-shell to race it Just re-shell it as an M5

[Output Flange]

fushion julz said:

There is currently a chap running a (very competitive) E36 compact with a 318 motor in class A (so must be very light)

That's got a 3.2 Evo lump in it.

[urquattro]

Slight change of tack, just rescued a 1992 3.8 M5 from pending oblivion, full of old age senility believing that it is an economical save. We will see but have started the process and so far got filthy
seeing what I have bought,p.s. it is complete, does run and move.

[vtr_driver]

I'm not 100% up on re shelling laws, but surely putting a load of M5 "stuff" even all of the M5 "Stuff" onto a 518 or 520 would just make a very very good replica? Surely the VIN number is what it makes it a genuine M5?

Either way it would be a good project and an interesting progress thread.

[fushion julz]

Output Flange said:

That's got a 3.2 Evo lump in it.

Aahh...fair enough, it is listed as a 318 compact on the entries, though, so fooled me!!

[fushion julz]

vtr_driver said:

I'm not 100% up on re shelling laws, but surely putting a load of M5 "stuff" even all of the M5 "Stuff" onto a 518 or 520 would just make a very very good replica? Surely the VIN number is what it makes it a genuine M5?

Either way it would be a good project and an interesting progress thread.

A shell is just a part....If you own the identity and papers of both cars, then you can transfer the VIN fairly easily...BMW sell the panel with the stamped VIN as a repair section so this could be welded into the donor shell...
I'm willing to bet that if the job was done properly you wouldn't be able to tell which was the real one and which the rebuilt...

Although technically you are correct, it is not 100% original, but is there any guarantee that the damaged shell is the original one supplied from the factory?

[sleep envy]

Output Flange said:

Oh, and have you seen ::this::? Just in case, like

looks like we'll be busy on Saturday.

[/spannering]