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Save Ferris
1,583 posts
82 months
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s m said: Interesting though that only the smaller wheel had an 'energy saving biased' tyre. Is there much of an economy penalty for the larger, wider wheels? I believe it's the light weight alloys that make most of the difference, not just the tyres. On paper it's around 2mpg higher than the 17s.
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s m
8,109 posts
72 months
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Save Ferris said: s m said: Interesting though that only the smaller wheel had an 'energy saving biased' tyre. Is there much of an economy penalty for the larger, wider wheels? I believe it's the light weight alloys that make most of the difference, not just the tyres. On paper it's around 2mpg higher than the 17s. I can believe that as well - just switching to non-runflats had a similar effect on one of my cars. That's why the 320ed used to use unfashionably small wheels with non-RFTs as well
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s m
8,109 posts
72 months
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bicycleshorts said: s m said: ISTR that when the car was touted there were rumours of a 195/55 x 16 tyre/wheel fitment on a plain Jane version with no LSD etc? Anyone heard anything further Released (if it's been released yet) in Japan only due to the 'tuning' scene over there and people wanting to fit their own wheels and diff. Spoke to someone at Toyota who didn't know it existed then denied there was such a thing, so mixed messages. I doubt it would ever come to the UK, and if it did I doubt even more that it would be £15k (or whatever the JPN price tag was). Yes, the last I sort of recall reading about was this below http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-launches-japan-...Would have been interesting to see a base model reviewed with its lighter weight and thinner tyres/open diff. When the AE86 was current, weren't cheap versions offered to circuit racers/rallyists by Toyota?
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Oddball RS
1,192 posts
87 months
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Really whats best quaker oats or porridge why are so many people bothered and compairing the chemical composition of the air in both cars tyres?
Austin 1300GT, MG 1300, Riley Kestral whats best...................... go figure (They are the same but whisper it)
Just pick the the one with the nearest dealer!
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Zad
8,711 posts
105 months
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How ironic that because they have made the tyres so thin and ultra low profile, they have to make the wheels ultra light weight because of the losses.
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Escort Si-130
1,285 posts
49 months
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PH have thrown the cat amongst the pigeons. The usual keyboard drivers here alwyas go on about weight, but then the Suburu which is heavier by 1 kg has a faster 0-60, lol.
Or maybe it could be down to rolling road lottery.
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Ftumpch
160 posts
27 months
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Interseting social experiment: I think the difference between the two will start to manifest itself once we start seeing the types of modifications made by their respective owners.
My pick is, the Subaru's will be boy-racier, the Toyota's more chavier.
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Steve vRS
576 posts
110 months
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Ftumpch said: Interesting social experiment: I think the difference between the two will start to manifest itself once we start seeing the types of modifications made by their respective owners.
My pick is, the Subaru's will be boy-racier, the Toyota's more chavier. Surely, they are one of the same. Steve
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s m
8,109 posts
72 months
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Steve vRS said: Ftumpch said: Interesting social experiment: I think the difference between the two will start to manifest itself once we start seeing the types of modifications made by their respective owners.
My pick is, the Subaru's will be boy-racier, the Toyota's more chavier. Surely, they are one of the same. Steve You'd think so perhaps. Maybe similar to the perceived superiority of the 106Gti over the VTS after some years is what he's getting at?
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Rs2oo
1,418 posts
67 months
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Fatman2 said: Steve vRS said: I just wish that the back seats were a little bigger to fit my kids in.
Steve +1 I popped into my local dealership the other week, sat in the drivers seat and settled into my ideal position. I then tried to get in the back. It was possible but bloody hard work! Ironically it was easier to fit the kids in the IQ I had as a courtesy car a while back. Two totally different cars but I wasn't expecting to fit anyone in the back given I could touch the rear screen with my hand from the drivers seat LOL Loved the GT86 in the flesh though. My kids were bought up with a lancia 2.0 Beta Coupe, a Renault 5 GT Turbo and 3 x Toyota Supras to name but a few. It was a struggle at times but it can be done. Kids have human rights too so it was not fair to deprive them of Supra ownership just because they were small. squeeze them in when young and they will grow up a petrol-head.
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Steve vRS
576 posts
110 months
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Rs2oo said: . squeeze them in when young and they will grow up a petrol-head. Little lad already is. He likes it when daddy make a noise with the tyres  Steve
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jon-
11,653 posts
85 months
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So much for all this talk of the Michelin Energy Savers. I've just checked and Michelin don't actually make the energy saver in 215/45 R17, so I guess all the 17 wheeled cars will be Primacy HPs, and perhaps the Primacy 3 when they start making it in the right size.
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kambites
32,864 posts
90 months
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jon- said: So much for all this talk of the Michelin Energy Savers. I've just checked and Michelin don't actually make the energy saver in 215/45 R17, so I guess all the 17 wheeled cars will be Primacy HPs, and perhaps the Primacy 3 when they start making it in the right size. Yup. Same tyre as the Prius comes with if you get 17 inch wheels.
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s m
8,109 posts
72 months
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jon- said: So much for all this talk of the Michelin Energy Savers. I've just checked and Michelin don't actually make the energy saver in 215/45 R17, so I guess all the 17 wheeled cars will be Primacy HPs, and perhaps the Primacy 3 when they start making it in the right size. Correct - hence the other thread discussion s m said: kambites said: the-photographer said: The only thing they say in the article is "the japanese cars have skinny, low friction tyres" Interesting, because the ones that PH had didn't have low friction tyres by the sounds of it and I can't see an option on the configurator for different tyres. Not that that's a hard thing to tailor to your preferences anyway. I think the confusion over the GT86 tyre fitment has arisen as follows :- 1/ the Prius is available in UK on a variety of wheel sizes ( 15" and 17" ) I believe if you have a Prius with 15" tyres they may well be Michelin Energy Savers....however.....if you have 17" wheels on your Prius then I don't think you can get the Energy Saver in a 215/45 x 17W fitment. Instead you get a Michelin Primacy HP tyre ( which is actually a High Performance fitment ) 2/ the GT86 comes on the 215/45 x 17W fitment so you get a Michelin Primacy HP tyre. I don't think any UK cars come on Michelin Energy Saver variants as standard. 3/ In all the mag tests I've seen the GT86 has been on 215/45 x 17 87W Michelin Primacy HP I think people have concluded that because the GT86 has been fitted with "skinny" ( since when were 215s that skinny on a 1200kg car ) tyres, such as on a Prius, it was assumed they'd be Energy Savers ( which are fitted to the smaller wheeled Prius' ) rather than the normal Primacy HPs as on the Prius with 17" wheels. Either way, it can still pull 0.99g on these tyres, not a bad effort but they aren't 'energy saving tyres' at the expense of all grip, they are a high performance tyre. ISTR that when the car was touted there were rumours of a 195/55 x 16 tyre/wheel fitment on a plain Jane version with no LSD etc? Anyone heard anything further I think someone that works at a Toyota dealer then confirmed all the bigger wheeled Prius' are on Toyos now
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jon-
11,653 posts
85 months
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I'm always late to the party  Michelin also make the Pilot Exalto PE2 in 215/45 R17 which is a little sportier, but this has since been replaced by the Pilot Sport 3. The new Primacy 3 has softer sidewalls than the Primacy HP, it'll be interesting to see where the tyre fitment goes from here. I'm surprised it's not on the Bridgestone Turenza ER300, they probably offer some of the best feedback and stability in the "premium touring" sector, without being a sports tyre. And they're Japanese like Toyota.
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s m
8,109 posts
72 months
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jon- said: I'm always late to the party Michelin also make the Pilot Exalto PE2 in 215/45 R17 which is a little sportier, but this has since been replaced by the Pilot Sport 3. The new Primacy 3 has softer sidewalls than the Primacy HP, it'll be interesting to see where the tyre fitment goes from here. I'm surprised it's not on the Bridgestone Turenza ER300, they probably offer some of the best feedback and stability in the "premium touring" sector, without being a sports tyre. And they're Japanese like Toyota. Maybe they already had a deal with Michelin for the 17" Prius tyres and when they were doing development of the Gt86 it was easy to get supply of those?
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jon-
11,653 posts
85 months
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s m said: jon- said: I'm always late to the party Michelin also make the Pilot Exalto PE2 in 215/45 R17 which is a little sportier, but this has since been replaced by the Pilot Sport 3. The new Primacy 3 has softer sidewalls than the Primacy HP, it'll be interesting to see where the tyre fitment goes from here. I'm surprised it's not on the Bridgestone Turenza ER300, they probably offer some of the best feedback and stability in the "premium touring" sector, without being a sports tyre. And they're Japanese like Toyota. Maybe they already had a deal with Michelin for the 17" Prius tyres and when they were doing development of the Gt86 it was easy to get supply of those? If CH is to be believed (there's no reason I wouldn't believe him) and the GT86 is a specifically engineered dynamic master piece, I'd find it very unlikely that Toyota didn't test tyres from all the major companies and specifically settle on the Primacy HPs. There's such varying dynamic qualities between tyres, the wrong set of tyres come replacement time could really upset the balance of the car.
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Kawasicki
1,516 posts
104 months
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Is it that hard to understand the the Gt86 was not designed to be fast. It was designed to be fun. If your only idea if fun is going quickly then buy another car. Also if you can't get the back end of a 150 bhp rwd car sliding in a smooth safe controllable manner you should spend money on driver training. It's cheap and fun.
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LordGrover
18,636 posts
81 months
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For Summer and TDs I see the yokohama advan neova AD08 is available in 215/45R17W...  For Winter would the Vredestein QUATRAC 3 be suitable?
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s m
8,109 posts
72 months
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jon- said: s m said: jon- said: I'm always late to the party Michelin also make the Pilot Exalto PE2 in 215/45 R17 which is a little sportier, but this has since been replaced by the Pilot Sport 3. The new Primacy 3 has softer sidewalls than the Primacy HP, it'll be interesting to see where the tyre fitment goes from here. I'm surprised it's not on the Bridgestone Turenza ER300, they probably offer some of the best feedback and stability in the "premium touring" sector, without being a sports tyre. And they're Japanese like Toyota. Maybe they already had a deal with Michelin for the 17" Prius tyres and when they were doing development of the Gt86 it was easy to get supply of those? If CH is to be believed (there's no reason I wouldn't believe him) and the GT86 is a specifically engineered dynamic master piece, I'd find it very unlikely that Toyota didn't test tyres from all the major companies and specifically settle on the Primacy HPs. There's such varying dynamic qualities between tyres, the wrong set of tyres come replacement time could really upset the balance of the car. Could well be the case, I don't know. Interests me though that sometimes a car will be delivered on Brand A...then partway through production they'll switch to Brand B ( eg Prius on 17" Michelins then 17" Toyo ). It must have some effect on the car ( you only have to look at tyre tests to see difference in laptimes, dry handling, wet handling for same car on different makes ) but how often do they tweak settings to adjust? I'm sure the development testers will have a preference though. I guess Porsche/Lotus pursue this more than some with recommended fitments.
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