RE: Subaru BRZ vs Toyota GT86
Discussion
Pixelpeep said:
0-60 in the late 7's ? 200hp? looking like that?!
£1200 worth of Saxo VTS next to you at the lights and you'll be sliding down the headed leather avoiding eye contact pretty quick!
It makes you wonder how people in £90k Aston feel when a £1500 MR2 Turbo pulls beside them at the lights too £1200 worth of Saxo VTS next to you at the lights and you'll be sliding down the headed leather avoiding eye contact pretty quick!
Pixelpeep said:
0-60 in the late 7's ? 200hp? looking like that?!
£1200 worth of Saxo VTS next to you at the lights and you'll be sliding down the headed leather avoiding eye contact pretty quick!
Are many teenagers going to be driving the GT86/BRZ? Anyone else surely doesn't give a damn about that sort of thing.£1200 worth of Saxo VTS next to you at the lights and you'll be sliding down the headed leather avoiding eye contact pretty quick!
ewenm said:
Pixelpeep said:
0-60 in the late 7's ? 200hp? looking like that?!
£1200 worth of Saxo VTS next to you at the lights and you'll be sliding down the headed leather avoiding eye contact pretty quick!
Are many teenagers going to be driving the GT86/BRZ? Anyone else surely doesn't give a damn about that sort of thing.£1200 worth of Saxo VTS next to you at the lights and you'll be sliding down the headed leather avoiding eye contact pretty quick!
Not too mention if you head over to the other side of the Atlantic drag racing is a huge pass time.
Pixelpeep said:
0-60 in the late 7's ? 200hp? looking like that?!
£1200 worth of Saxo VTS next to you at the lights and you'll be sliding down the headed leather avoiding eye contact pretty quick!
Just a note, 0-60mph and 0-62mph are not the same thing. If a car needs an extra gear change to get to 62mph it can really affect the figures. I don't know if that's the case for these, but it is for some. A Corvette C6 zo6 has an almost 1/2 second difference between 0-60 and 0-62 stats due to an extra gear change.£1200 worth of Saxo VTS next to you at the lights and you'll be sliding down the headed leather avoiding eye contact pretty quick!
SirSamuelBuca said:
saw one down the merry hill on saturday. gf commented on it looking cheap in side. I was not sure what to think if i am honest it looked ok and its quite small in the flesh
Small is good surely? In this country the sort of twisty roads that the Toybaru excels at are often too narrow for a lot of bloated modern performance cars. I know they are basically the same, but somehow the BRZ always seems to look better to me. I saw my first customer GT 86 and it didn't seem to have the same clout. To be fair, it was probably the colour - a shiny but rather inoffensive shade of red as opposed to the deep blue or sparkling silver liveries I've seen before.
When the s
tus went in for a service the other day I had a quick butchers at the 86 that was in the showroom. Nice enough looking, not massive, but why would you buy one when you could get the same sts n giggles from a used Nissan 350z?
I'd still have the subaru, hardly a suprise given my history with the cars, but I'd still not spend my hard earned on either tbh. I think it's great that they're bringing the cars to market, I'm not sure many will find homes.
tus went in for a service the other day I had a quick butchers at the 86 that was in the showroom. Nice enough looking, not massive, but why would you buy one when you could get the same sts n giggles from a used Nissan 350z?I'd still have the subaru, hardly a suprise given my history with the cars, but I'd still not spend my hard earned on either tbh. I think it's great that they're bringing the cars to market, I'm not sure many will find homes.
I'll settle the whole GT86 vs BRZ thing.
If your in the market for either. Go along to your local dealer. Try both. See who what the best deal is on each. Choose which you prefer. Buy it or walk away.
Job jobbed.
Surely one of the other 36 threads already done will give more than enough info you need!?
If your in the market for either. Go along to your local dealer. Try both. See who what the best deal is on each. Choose which you prefer. Buy it or walk away.
Job jobbed.
Surely one of the other 36 threads already done will give more than enough info you need!?
300bhp/ton said:
So are there actually any differences? Is there a different PAS setup, weighting? Spring and damper rates?
Alignment maybe, wheel offsets, tyre tread, pressures?
Thanks.
The BRZ has stiffer springs at the front and softer rear compared to the GT86. There may also be minor damper setting differences according to this PH article.Alignment maybe, wheel offsets, tyre tread, pressures?
Thanks.
hornetrider said:
s m said:
A bit similar to the old 106Gti/Saxo VTS situation.
Not really. You'd have to be blind to mistake one of them for each other. These cars are actually identical barring a small difference in the front bumper.
- those 2 were very similar under the skinhornetrider said:
Is it possible the handling differences are down to slight variances in alignment set-up? Do we know if Toyota and Subaru are going to be st hot on alignment?
t hot on alignment?jon- said:
Deranged Granny said:
Did you ensure that the tyre pressures were the same? That could account for half the difference between them.
Or the tyres. We know the GT86 comes with the Michelin Energy Savers, what does the BRZ run on?Does the article author have the answers to these questions?
300bhp/ton said:
On the otherside of the argument I think they do give a damn. Show me a single road test/magazine article that doesn't mention 0-60mph times for the cars they test. All written by people older than teenagers.
Not too mention if you head over to the other side of the Atlantic drag racing is a huge pass time.
So we've got some who do care and some who don't care. Those who do won't buy a GT86/BRZ; those that don't, might. I've never really understood the "car as status symbol" or "my car is faster than yours" thing though. A car is for my enjoyment, not for making some sort of statement to others.Not too mention if you head over to the other side of the Atlantic drag racing is a huge pass time.
I'm not sure Toyota or Subaru will be looking/hoping for many sales into the drag racing market.
300bhp/ton said:
Not too mention if you head over to the other side of the Atlantic drag racing is a huge pass time.
Surely if you live in the states and you are into drag racing you wouldn't be buying one of these even if it were a bit quicker. I bet they're pretty crap at off-roading too Well, I am glad I have bought one. The test drive was enough to persuade me over similar priced alternatives.
A great handling RWD, N.A. 2+2 is spot on for me with a wife and a little one on the way.
I went for a GT86 as it looked nicer and, from early reviews, seemed to have a better handling balance for my needs.
FWD Hot hatches were tempting on a power basis but they always felt like developped Family hatches as opposed to bespoke designed sports car. I wanted the latter.
A great handling RWD, N.A. 2+2 is spot on for me with a wife and a little one on the way.
I went for a GT86 as it looked nicer and, from early reviews, seemed to have a better handling balance for my needs.
FWD Hot hatches were tempting on a power basis but they always felt like developped Family hatches as opposed to bespoke designed sports car. I wanted the latter.
Be interesting to see how cost of ownership pans out, given Subaru's piss-take parts prices. So these are no quicker to 60 than a R5 GT Turbo, despite having nearly twice as much power. Could be the 400 kilo weight difference, I guess, plus the relative lack of torque from the Scubotas. Chapman was so right about weight; for similar money you could pilot a top Elan sprint, & get your money back at resale....
jon- said:
Deranged Granny said:
Did you ensure that the tyre pressures were the same? That could account for half the difference between them.
Or the tyres. We know the GT86 comes with the Michelin Energy Savers, what does the BRZ run on?300bhp/ton said:
Not too mention if you head over to the other side of the Atlantic drag racing is a huge pass time.
To be fair, you don't half talk some st. Those into 'drag racing' are not this car's target market, so why even mention it? The Miata/MX5 is HUGE in the states. Massive. Ergo, these will do well too.doogz said:
marshall100 said:
When the stus went in for a service the other day I had a quick butchers at the 86 that was in the showroom. Nice enough looking, not massive, but why would you buy one when you could get the same sts n giggles from a used Nissan 350z?
At a guess, because the 350 is heavier, thirstier, older, bigger, doesn't handle as well, and will cost more to insure and tax?tus went in for a service the other day I had a quick butchers at the 86 that was in the showroom. Nice enough looking, not massive, but why would you buy one when you could get the same sts n giggles from a used Nissan 350z?
All true. I have a zed and am waiting for an 86.Doesn't mean the zed is any lesser the car though - I love it but it's time for a change.
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