RE: PH Fleet: Porsche Panamera Diesel
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'Oh, and I even like the way it looks.'
...i know that all these things are subjective, but really can this be true? unshackled from the constraints of the corporate design language (i.e make them all look abit like 911's), would porsche's designers really have come up with this design. Its Desirable, it has premium product stamped all over it, but is it really a good looking object?
...i know that all these things are subjective, but really can this be true? unshackled from the constraints of the corporate design language (i.e make them all look abit like 911's), would porsche's designers really have come up with this design. Its Desirable, it has premium product stamped all over it, but is it really a good looking object?
Great review. I'm a massive fan of the Panamera. I've driven all variants so far and have been aiming to upgrade to a turbo ever since. However, I was provided with a Panamera Hybrid as a courtesy car quite recently and that changed my opinion again. Fantastic performance with great MPG to match, it's a win win. In relation to the looks, each to their own, but in my opinion, it looks fantastic.
toppstuff said:
I simply cannot comprehend for the life of me, how people think the car is ugly when they consider other cars out there, which do not attract so much as a grumble. The irony of people who own any modern Peugeot, any modern Vauxhall, even most Audi's with their absurd DRL's, calling the Panamera ugly simply tells me that a lot of people seem to have no sense at all. But, of course, it is a purely subjective thing. I do wonder, however, if sometimes these things become an accepted mantra that is simply followed by the masses, like so many sheep. Many people seem to continue to quote Clarkson, so this theory has some merit..
Peugeots, Vauxhalls and Audis aren't meant to be good looking, it's just a happy coincidence if they are. As you say the Panamera is a case of function over form, so you'll have to accept that plenty of people think it's ugly.Is that an especially small parking space, or do all Panameras hang out of spaces by a good foot, and not leave any space for the doors to open when someone parks alongside?
I really want to like this car, and look forward to their demise towards a £20k price. The simple mechanical spec appeals greatly to a post-warranty private buyer some years along the way.
Regarding my first semi-tongue in cheek question, and the 4 seat limitations mentioned in the piece, I'll be reading with interest with how the car deals with day to day usage.
I really want to like this car, and look forward to their demise towards a £20k price. The simple mechanical spec appeals greatly to a post-warranty private buyer some years along the way.
Regarding my first semi-tongue in cheek question, and the 4 seat limitations mentioned in the piece, I'll be reading with interest with how the car deals with day to day usage.
Bill said:
Peugeots, Vauxhalls and Audis aren't meant to be good looking.
I completely disagree.We should insist on good design for everyday objects. There are simply horrendously ugly, ill conceived car designs out there. Accepting that they are ugly "but they are'nt meant to be beautiful" is nonsense.
Every time I see a pre-facelift Audi A5 come up behind me I am reminded that the idiot who designed the DRL's should be locked up for crimes against car design. Thankfully the facelifted versions are better. And how anyone can not see the face of any modern Peugeot and not wonder what the hell they were thinking when they signed that off, must have a strange sense of aesthetics in my book.
There really is little wrong with the Panamera's design IMO.
Edited by toppstuff on Monday 20th August 13:07
DuckDuck said:
I really like the Panamera, but i have to say it is a big disappointment they couldn't squeeze in the new Audi 3litre bi-turbo 309hp engine. I'll stick to my 535d touring for now.
Bugger, I was going to say that would be the perfect engine for it (reading evo mag's reviews of various Audi's with that engine the last couple of months). The stats of that engine appeal very much, shame it's be donkeys years before anything with that engine will fall into my budget.I really like the Panamera, much more of a Porsche than the Cayenne IMO.
It is a shame it looks so utterly vile.
However, in a few years as it has slid down the depreciiation curve faster than it might have done had it been born with good looks, it may well make sense as a family wagon. Too much sense, probably.
However, there is something "wrong" about owning a Porsche you have no desire to look at, let alone look back at as you walk away. Rather destroys the point of it being a Porsche and it perhaps should have been conceived as an Audi instead.
However, in a few years as it has slid down the depreciiation curve faster than it might have done had it been born with good looks, it may well make sense as a family wagon. Too much sense, probably.
However, there is something "wrong" about owning a Porsche you have no desire to look at, let alone look back at as you walk away. Rather destroys the point of it being a Porsche and it perhaps should have been conceived as an Audi instead.
toppstuff said:
Bill said:
Peugeots, Vauxhalls and Audis aren't meant to be good looking.
I completely disagree.We should insist on good design for everyday objects. There are simply horrendously ugly, ill conceived car designs out there. Accepting that they are ugly "but they are'nt meant to be beautiful" is nonsense.
Every time I see a pre-facelift Audi A5 come up behind me I am reminded that the idiot who designed the DRL's should be locked up for crimes against car design. Thankfully the facelifted versions are better. And how anyone can not see the face of any modern Peugeot and not wonder what the hell they were thinking when they signed that off, must have a strange sense of aesthetics in my book.
There really is little wrong with the Panamera's design IMO.
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