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otolith
19,376 posts
73 months
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Pistonwot said: WHY take the only Subaru people actually wanted (Impreza WRX) comprehensively ruin it, and leave us with such a s  tter? Part of Subaru's problem is that it cannot continue to trade in Europe with cars like the WRX making up the bulk of sales. By 2015, Subaru will need to average less than 130g/km across all cars it sells (there is a bit of fiddling with vehicle weights, but that's pretty much the target) In 2011, Subaru's fleet average figure was 179.37g/km - and I think that figure only includes the best performing 65% of cars sold by them, a concession which will not be in place in 2015. The WRX STi is rated at 243g/km of CO2. In 2015, this will happen: EU said: If a manufacturer's average emission levels are above the target set by the limit value curve it will have to pay an excess emissions premium. The more a manufacturer goes above the target, the higher the premium. It will be calculated on the basis of the number of grams per kilometre (g/km) that an average vehicle registered by the manufacturer is above the target, multiplied by the number of cars registered by the manufacturer. A premium of €5 per car registered will apply to the first g/km above the target, €15 for the second g/km, €25 for the third g/km, and €95 for each further g/km. From 2019 every g/km of exceedence will cost €95. You see why Subaru wants out of that market?
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Midgster
236 posts
103 months
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EU said: If a manufacturer's average emission levels are above the target set by the limit value curve it will have to pay an excess emissions premium. The more a manufacturer goes above the target, the higher the premium. It will be calculated on the basis of the number of grams per kilometre (g/km) that an average vehicle registered by the manufacturer is above the target, multiplied by the number of cars registered by the manufacturer. A premium of €5 per car registered will apply to the first g/km above the target, €15 for the second g/km, €25 for the third g/km, and €95 for each further g/km. From 2019 every g/km of exceedence will cost €95. Really? So from 2019, just 100g/km over will mean a premium of €9500? Holy crap! I can now see why Aston Martin make the Cygnet!
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Ved
1,467 posts
44 months
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otolith said: You see why Subaru wants out of that market? Yep and I dare say they'll be looking at rebadging some other low emission Toyotas before long. So does the EU calculate the average over the range of cars, or the ones that are actually sold? My point is that I can't see Aston selling many Cignets to compensate for every DBwhatever on the road.
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otolith
19,376 posts
73 months
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It's actual sales, they need to shift some Cygnets to have any effect at all.
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M@1975
445 posts
96 months
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Yep emissions targets will kill most if not all of the mid market fast car makers who don't have deep pockets and clients with deep pockets. If they can't break the fleet market then they are dead in the water. Such a shame, we're nearing the end of an era..  Back on the STI thing, never quite worked out why I've not owned an impreza over the years, may have to rectify that one day. Oh and I have resisted the urge to post anything about the name being associated with clap clinics..
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Ved
1,467 posts
44 months
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I bloody hate the EU. Narrow minded fools.
I fancy just buying one to spite them.
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MBK
28 posts
86 months
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Now this is interesting at £27K the STi looks reasonable value again in this market, as others have said I'd add the rear spoiler and a bit more power. I thought the days of the likes of Evo's and Impreza's was over but at this price they make a lot more sense.
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WeirdNeville
4,179 posts
84 months
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MBK said: Now this is interesting at £27K the STi looks reasonable value again in this market, as others have said I'd add the rear spoiler and a bit more power. I thought the days of the likes of Evo's and Impreza's was over but at this price they make a lot more sense. Even my 2005 car was only £21k at point of sale. That's a huge amount of performance for not much money.
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Ninjaboy
2,525 posts
119 months
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Midgster said: EU said: If a manufacturer's average emission levels are above the target set by the limit value curve it will have to pay an excess emissions premium. The more a manufacturer goes above the target, the higher the premium. It will be calculated on the basis of the number of grams per kilometre (g/km) that an average vehicle registered by the manufacturer is above the target, multiplied by the number of cars registered by the manufacturer. A premium of €5 per car registered will apply to the first g/km above the target, €15 for the second g/km, €25 for the third g/km, and €95 for each further g/km. From 2019 every g/km of exceedence will cost €95. Really? So from 2019, just 100g/km over will mean a premium of €9500? Holy crap! I can now see why Aston Martin make the Cygnet! Decent car are a thing of the past then? owners taxed to hell, manufacturers taxed to hell and cars that nobody wants. Don't you just love europe lol. I wonder what happens to all the tax money.
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otolith
19,376 posts
73 months
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You know, I don't recall ever being invited to vote on whether I wanted my car choice restricted in this way. Democracy my arse.
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CJP80
146 posts
17 months
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otolith said: You know, I don't recall ever being invited to vote on whether I wanted my car choice restricted in this way. Democracy my arse. Smarter people than us are telling us we're f king up the environment. It's only going to get worse until we have sustainable fusion or cheap and efficient hydrogen fuel cells.
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otolith
19,376 posts
73 months
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Dumber people than us are telling us how we should change our lifestyle to achieve the ends the smarter people tell them they ought to.
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CJP80
146 posts
17 months
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otolith said: Dumber people than us are telling us how we should change our lifestyle to achieve the ends the smarter people tell them they ought to. For sure. I voted V8 and work harder. Will eventually become unsustainable though. I like the Impreza. Regret never owning one.
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CooperS
2,848 posts
88 months
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[quote] I wonder what happens to all the tax money. [/quote] The legitimately claim expenses and conduct themselves to business which to people on the outside may be seen as criminal. (If you believe the bbc panorama program) It's a shame as no amount of goodwill jestures can overcome the level of poluition that China, USA and Brazil pump out.
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Raize
1,048 posts
48 months
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back reminds me of a Merc?
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rxtx
4,233 posts
79 months
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Raize said: back reminds me of a Merc? Don't know, does it?
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Ali_T
954 posts
126 months
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Having had my STI 330S blow it's engine after 2 years, 20,000 miles and, mainly, mundane commuting, I wouldn't touch one with a very long bargepole. Replaced it with an EVo X FQ330 and it's a better car in every area bar exhaust note.
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LaurasOtherHalf
6,305 posts
65 months
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I saw this deal advertised in my local paper last week & thought about posting it up here. Does look fantastic value doesn't it? Having said that it also looks s t. Bet it's fun though
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CO2000
1,911 posts
78 months
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WeirdNeville said: MBK said: Now this is interesting at £27K the STi looks reasonable value again in this market, as others have said I'd add the rear spoiler and a bit more power. I thought the days of the likes of Evo's and Impreza's was over but at this price they make a lot more sense. Even my 2005 car was only £21k at point of sale. That's a huge amount of performance for not much money. I'm sure when I bought an 02 STI (first of the hawkeyes) it was £18,500 with 28k on it & there was a brand new 04 sti in the showroom at £27,995. So same price 8 years on, not bad at all.
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melvster
5,453 posts
54 months
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