An end to 'modified' cars?
Discussion
The Treaty Basis for this is here:-
TREATY ON THE FUNCTIONING OF THE EUROPEAN UNION
TITLE VI - - TRANSPORT
Article 90
(ex Article 70 TEC)
The objectives of the Treaties shall, in matters governed by this Title, be pursued within the framework of a common transport policy.
Article 91
(ex Article 71 TEC)
1.For the purpose of implementing Article 90, and taking into account the distinctive features of transport, the European Parliament and the Council shall, acting in accordance with the ordinary legislative procedure and after consulting the Economic and Social Committee and the Committee of the Regions, lay down:
(a) common rules applicable to international transport to or from the territory of a Member State or passing across the territory of one or more Member States;
(b )the conditions under which non-resident carriers may operate transport services within a Member State;
(c) measures to improve transport safety;
(d) any other appropriate provisions.
2.When the measures referred to in paragraph 1 are adopted, account shall be taken of cases where their application might seriously affect the standard of living and level of employment in certain regions, and the operation of transport facilities.
TREATY ON THE FUNCTIONING OF THE EUROPEAN UNION
TITLE VI - - TRANSPORT
Article 90
(ex Article 70 TEC)
The objectives of the Treaties shall, in matters governed by this Title, be pursued within the framework of a common transport policy.
Article 91
(ex Article 71 TEC)
1.For the purpose of implementing Article 90, and taking into account the distinctive features of transport, the European Parliament and the Council shall, acting in accordance with the ordinary legislative procedure and after consulting the Economic and Social Committee and the Committee of the Regions, lay down:
(a) common rules applicable to international transport to or from the territory of a Member State or passing across the territory of one or more Member States;
(b )the conditions under which non-resident carriers may operate transport services within a Member State;
(c) measures to improve transport safety;
(d) any other appropriate provisions.
2.When the measures referred to in paragraph 1 are adopted, account shall be taken of cases where their application might seriously affect the standard of living and level of employment in certain regions, and the operation of transport facilities.
Breadvan72 said:
(d) any other appropriate provisions.
They are a mental bunch, I've never heard such vague BS in my life.I do get the feeling that this will be circumvented by aftermarket manufactures testing or getting approval for an item before it goes on sale...meaning that the modding industry will keep going, they will just need to pass tests on all items they sell.
Bisonhead said:
They are a mental bunch, I've never heard such vague BS in my life.I do get the feeling that this will be circumvented by aftermarket manufactures testing or getting approval for an item before it goes on sale...meaning that the modding industry will keep going, they will just need to pass tests on all items they sell.
Its got me wondering where I stand with my car when it needs its MOT. Pretty much standard, but 16" wheels (same design) instead of 15", a stainless steel exhaust that is hidden just like the original, and I was considering a Whiteline ARB and a remap... so I guess my car would fail any test, or at least, I'd have to pay hundreds for another test?
The more this government attacks the motorist, the more I'm inclined just to give up on this already expensive hobby. I know thats letting these b
ds win, but I begrudge giving them any more tax than I absolutely have to.TameRacingDriver said:
Bisonhead said:
They are a mental bunch, I've never heard such vague BS in my life.I do get the feeling that this will be circumvented by aftermarket manufactures testing or getting approval for an item before it goes on sale...meaning that the modding industry will keep going, they will just need to pass tests on all items they sell.
Its got me wondering where I stand with my car when it needs its MOT. Pretty much standard, but 16" wheels (same design) instead of 15", a stainless steel exhaust that is hidden just like the original, and I was considering a Whiteline ARB and a remap... so I guess my car would fail any test, or at least, I'd have to pay hundreds for another test?
The more this government attacks the motorist, the more I'm inclined just to give up on this already expensive hobby. I know thats letting these b
ds win, but I begrudge giving them any more tax than I absolutely have to.Sod all chance of checking the model code on your turbo or reading the ECU map
If this rule means every stanced car in the EU is crushed it's a brilliant law I fully Suport it
TameRacingDriver said:
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Its got me wondering where I stand with my car when it needs its MOT. Pretty much standard, but 16" wheels (same design) instead of 15", a stainless steel exhaust that is hidden just like the original, and I was considering a Whiteline ARB and a remap... so I guess my car would fail any test, or at least, I'd have to pay hundreds for another test?
The more this government attacks the motorist, the more I'm inclined just to give up on this already expensive hobby. I know thats letting these bds win, but I begrudge giving them any more tax than I absolutely have to.
On my reading of the draft Regulation (which, by the way, is not being made by this Government, but by the EU Council), I think that your car would pass unless its original safety or environmental; features had been altered, and from your description I doubt that they have been (query only on the enviro point, in which case you could, subject to local rules, have a test for that: see article 5.4) Its got me wondering where I stand with my car when it needs its MOT. Pretty much standard, but 16" wheels (same design) instead of 15", a stainless steel exhaust that is hidden just like the original, and I was considering a Whiteline ARB and a remap... so I guess my car would fail any test, or at least, I'd have to pay hundreds for another test?
The more this government attacks the motorist, the more I'm inclined just to give up on this already expensive hobby. I know thats letting these b
ds win, but I begrudge giving them any more tax than I absolutely have to.EU legislation does tend to follow the Continental model of being expressed in general terms, as opposed to the UK model of being very (and sometimes over) precise, but a phrase such as "other appropriate measures" would have to be construed in a manner consistent with the policy objectives indicated in articles 90 and 91 of the Treaty.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 22 August 09:54
Dave Hedgehog said:
If this rule means every stanced car in the EU is crushed it's a brilliant law I fully Suport it
LOL! 
I quite agree it's probably all bluster over not very much, but then that's the way these people work. Bring in a proposal which sounds like the end of the world, then come in with something that's not quite as bad, and then everyone is "relieved" that it's not as bad as they thought.
Still its made me think twice about that ARB and remap I'd promised myself
Dave Hedgehog said:
If this rule means every stanced car in the EU is crushed it's a brilliant law I fully Suport it
I see your point!I dont think it will get to the stage where we have to research what items to replace if they fail the MOT or equivelant test. Garages, MOT testers, OEM suppliers etc. etc. wont be able to enforce this legislation as they dont have the time, money, manpower, EU funding. Surely the EU legislative types cant be that thick to miss this point...how will they ensure it is enforced?
Breadvan72 said:
On my reading of the draft Regulation (which, by the way, is not being made by this Government, but by the EU Council), I think that your car would pass unless its original safety or environmental; features had been altered, and from your description I doubt that they have been.
Thanks for the reply. I do hope so. The ironic thing is, I've tried to keep my car as original as possible for the most part, I just wanted a few *slightly* uprated things, as I imagine many folks do for their cars. If they deny me the ability to do this, then I'll revert my stance from motoring enjoyment to doing as much as humanely possible to pay as little tax as possible for my vehicle. Would be pretty grim, but there ya go.Probably a good job I decided to rip the OMP steering wheel out and replace with the original item then huh?
I too would salute the imminent demise of Barried up Corsas and Saxos everywhere, but, alas, that probably won't happen.
BTW, in Ealing the other day I saw two car loads of uber-pathetic Barries. One had a super stanced Peugeot POS, which had a noise to going fast ration of LOTS to BOGALL. The nondescript but much bestickered Japanese saloon ahead of it was not much better. They struggled to keep up with my AddLee bloke's Ford Galaxy as it moved slowly away from the lights. Radz, dudez.
A steering wheel would be unlikely to affect safety or enviro features, so I wouldn't worry too much about that, but maybe they could write in a section on bad taste steering wheel covers being autofailed.
BTW, in Ealing the other day I saw two car loads of uber-pathetic Barries. One had a super stanced Peugeot POS, which had a noise to going fast ration of LOTS to BOGALL. The nondescript but much bestickered Japanese saloon ahead of it was not much better. They struggled to keep up with my AddLee bloke's Ford Galaxy as it moved slowly away from the lights. Radz, dudez.
A steering wheel would be unlikely to affect safety or enviro features, so I wouldn't worry too much about that, but maybe they could write in a section on bad taste steering wheel covers being autofailed.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 22 August 10:00
Breadvan72 said:
A steering wheel would be unlikely to affect safety or enviro features, so I wouldn't worry too much about that, but maybe they could write in a section on bad taste steering wheel covers being autofailed.
It might in my case as the airbag was removed to fit the wheel. I'm refitting the standard wheel and airbag in its place.Major Fallout said:
Where would kit cars come under this?
Has this just killed the kitcar industry?
From a laypersons perspective the kits have to be legal to pass the current MOT, so would they not be deemed standard specHas this just killed the kitcar industry?
Aren't German after market parts TUV passed (German MOT?) any way?
Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
It's already under way for motorcycles. Maybe people will understand the issue now it's hitting cars too?
My bikes were always pretty much standard apart from an exhaust can. That was always easy to swap come MOT time. It was only a ten minute job. Its not such an easy job to start swapping exhausts on cars for MOTs!
I wander how they will handle it if its standard car parts. For instance, I am putting safari side windows on to my Land Rover. They are the official parts from Land Rover so I know they are suitable for the job.
If people are running modified engines including new cranks, pistons and cams, how are they going to test that? The engine could look totally different from the outside. Bolting a supercharger onto the outside could be a bit of a giveaway though
The way it reads makes it sound like the car has to be type approved. So that means the components have to be type approved. Seeming most aftermarket parts you get are at least TUV approved, then that surely means they're legal, and you're call will be legal.
It just seems like they're trying to clamp down on non type approved car parts, which is quite easy to get round.
It just seems like they're trying to clamp down on non type approved car parts, which is quite easy to get round.
Dan Trent said:
Morning all! Just to say we're looking into this right now and will report back with a homepage story in due course, hopefully around lunchtime all being well.
Cheers!
Dan
Dan, you have a PM.Cheers!
Dan
The draft reg does not deal with type approval. It deals with MOT tests and the equivalent thereof.
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