An end to 'modified' cars?
Discussion
Bezza1969 said:
I may be controversial here, but I wouldnt be sad to see a large number of modified cars outlawed, by that I mean the DIY big exhaust big wheeled lowered brigade....
Yep, if I never see another boyed up Saxo or Corsa again i will be a happy man!
Properly modded cars I dont have a problem with..by that I mean the stuff that the likes of K-TEC and Litchfield come up with....
disagree totally - the barry-boy thing is something I REALLY don't get and REALLY dislike that being said there'll be loads out there who thing the same about rat-rods, pro-street etc, start with one and it's the thin end of the wedgeYep, if I never see another boyed up Saxo or Corsa again i will be a happy man!
Properly modded cars I dont have a problem with..by that I mean the stuff that the likes of K-TEC and Litchfield come up with....
rolymo said:
Proceed with caution, the “prophet of doom “is about to make an observation concerning the direction this thread is going: - It would appear that if you can’t beat it and you can’t join it then your only alternative is to ridicule it out of existence by introducing all the nasties that you can dream up, most people are sick to death of all the subjects mentioned and could just choose to ignore this site in future. Maybe that is your aim, what are you motives my good man?
Now can we please get back the core subject: - Automobiles, EU Reg’s and the new MOT testing.
WOW! A NART spyder 275, my favourite car. I never knew there was a RED on in the UK?Now can we please get back the core subject: - Automobiles, EU Reg’s and the new MOT testing.
Breadvan72 said:
The fact that the Petition misdescribes the proposal may be something of a deterrent.
It's being misdescribed all over the place. The Daily Fail and Auto Express pieces being particularly over the top anti-EU ravings.The BMF have it sussed out mind you. http://www.bmf.co.uk/pages/briefing_room.php?fulls...
Breadvan72 said:
The fact that the Petition misdescribes the proposal may be something of a deterrent.
Agreed, also it can be read as, 'We don't care about how this will affect modifications to modern cars. As long as our classics are protected then we're happy.' I for one am not going to sign a petition that says the "legislation makes good sense" when that good sense may prevent me from fettling the engine in my car.Whoever wrote that petition clearly has a very narrow interest and the political nous of a dead slug.
My friend and I were discussing the idea of going to see our MP's about this issue, however my MP is lib dem and my mate's MP is from the green party. This got us thinking about how the legislation might affect cars converted for biofuel, or remaps that people often claim give them better MPG.
After several glasses of wine we decided that this legislation is going to have a huge impact on hard working people who are trying to make the world a greener, happier place. Any move towards making non type approved cars illegal is handing huge power to the evil oil and motor companies and putting the little man down. Think of the polar bears man!!!
While the above needs a bit of work the point is sound, no MP's going to get of their arse unless it's clearly explained to them how the legislation may affect their issues and constituency.
If people want more than a few thousand signatures on a petition then it needs to be relevant to all parties who may be adversely affected, then couched in language that's acceptable to modern MP's.
If the petition's successful then some poor bugger's going to have to stand up in the commons and argue the case for it, best to give them all the help you can by highlighting any green/economic issues as that's what gets things passed, not narrow self interest.
All IMO
Breadvan72 said:
That's a welcome dose of sense amidst the ill informed hysteria of many petrolheadish websites. "Classic and Sports Car" got it completely wrong. Either the authors of the scare articles haven't read the proposal, or they just like spreading doom and gloom.
I put it down to pareidolia when it comes to words. They see patterns that are not there.This from the EU:-
Reports in the press that the European Commission has proposed to make modifications to cars illegal, or to ban classic cars unless they are unchanged since manufacture are entirely wrong.
The Commission’s proposals would not, if agreed by the Member States and the European Parliament, make any difference to the current situation regarding MOT testing in the UK except to make most classic cars more than 30 years old exempt from testing if they are not used day-to-day on the roads.
All other cars would remain subject to roadworthiness testing, just as they are now. Whether or not they have been modified is not of itself relevant: what counts is whether they are safe and that is what is assessed by MOT tests in the UK and by the equivalent tests elsewhere.
What the proposals will do is require all Member States to bring their road worthiness tests up to a certain level of rigour, already applied in the UK : for example, motorbikes will need to be tested regularly everywhere, as they are already in the UK. This will make driving safer for UK drivers at home and abroad.
The Commission is writing separately to all the newspapers concerned, none of which checked the facts with us before publication.
http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/press-reports-...
Reports in the press that the European Commission has proposed to make modifications to cars illegal, or to ban classic cars unless they are unchanged since manufacture are entirely wrong.
The Commission’s proposals would not, if agreed by the Member States and the European Parliament, make any difference to the current situation regarding MOT testing in the UK except to make most classic cars more than 30 years old exempt from testing if they are not used day-to-day on the roads.
All other cars would remain subject to roadworthiness testing, just as they are now. Whether or not they have been modified is not of itself relevant: what counts is whether they are safe and that is what is assessed by MOT tests in the UK and by the equivalent tests elsewhere.
What the proposals will do is require all Member States to bring their road worthiness tests up to a certain level of rigour, already applied in the UK : for example, motorbikes will need to be tested regularly everywhere, as they are already in the UK. This will make driving safer for UK drivers at home and abroad.
The Commission is writing separately to all the newspapers concerned, none of which checked the facts with us before publication.
http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/press-reports-...
Breadvan72 said:
There again, it might just be the action of the OTT press, and reaction to it, that has resulted in this apparent 'climbdown' .......... will we ever know? However, tis good news and should surely ensure, shouldn't it, that the UK implementation is just what the blog says - no change to current MoT except for easing things for (some) geriatric vehicles?Two points from this....
The Commission’s proposals would not, if agreed by the Member States and the European Parliament, make any difference to the current situation regarding MOT testing in the UK except to make most classic cars more than 30 years old exempt from testing if they are not used day-to-day on the roads.
Where in the proposal does it say anything about how often 30 year old cars could be used?
And...
What the proposals will do is require all Member States to bring their road worthiness tests up to a certain level of rigour, already applied in the UK
It very much depends on what benchmark they intend to use for their 'level of rigour'. If it were the UK MoT Test then things may not be too bad. But if they use the TUV as a benchmark, then that is a whole other ball-game!
The Commission’s proposals would not, if agreed by the Member States and the European Parliament, make any difference to the current situation regarding MOT testing in the UK except to make most classic cars more than 30 years old exempt from testing if they are not used day-to-day on the roads.
Where in the proposal does it say anything about how often 30 year old cars could be used?
And...
What the proposals will do is require all Member States to bring their road worthiness tests up to a certain level of rigour, already applied in the UK
It very much depends on what benchmark they intend to use for their 'level of rigour'. If it were the UK MoT Test then things may not be too bad. But if they use the TUV as a benchmark, then that is a whole other ball-game!
irocfan said:
disagree totally - the barry-boy thing is something I REALLY don't get and REALLY dislike that being said there'll be loads out there who thing the same about rat-rods, pro-street etc, start with one and it's the thin end of the wedge
indeed... I don't necessarily agree with how people modify their vehicles, but I will fight to the bitter end for their right to do so.jbi said:
indeed... I don't necessarily agree with how people modify their vehicles, but I will fight to the bitter end for their right to do so.
I partly agree but think they do need to clamp down on cars that have passed strict safety tests only for a Barry Boy to stick a ridiculous bumper on with sharp edges and vents.LuS1fer said:
I partly agree but think they do need to clamp down on cars that have passed strict safety tests only for a Barry Boy to stick a ridiculous bumper on with sharp edges and vents.
what about 4x4 enthusiasts who stick heavy metal winch bumpers and armour on their off-roaders?Plastic is simply not up to the job.
LuS1fer said:
jbi said:
indeed... I don't necessarily agree with how people modify their vehicles, but I will fight to the bitter end for their right to do so.
I partly agree but think they do need to clamp down on cars that have passed strict safety tests only for a Barry Boy to stick a ridiculous bumper on with sharp edges and vents.Rich G said:
Two points from this....
The Commission’s proposals would not, if agreed by the Member States and the European Parliament, make any difference to the current situation regarding MOT testing in the UK except to make most classic cars more than 30 years old exempt from testing if they are not used day-to-day on the roads.
Where in the proposal does it say anything about how often 30 year old cars could be used?
And...
What the proposals will do is require all Member States to bring their road worthiness tests up to a certain level of rigour, already applied in the UK
It very much depends on what benchmark they intend to use for their 'level of rigour'. If it were the UK MoT Test then things may not be too bad. But if they use the TUV as a benchmark, then that is a whole other ball-game!
Why would it make any reference to how much a car can be used? It's about testing, no more. There are no restrictions on classic use in France (lifted in 2009) and none in Germany on Historics except for the special case collectors plate. The UK does not apply the 30 year rule anyway, as well as having no definition of a historic car. It's just a tax catergory.The Commission’s proposals would not, if agreed by the Member States and the European Parliament, make any difference to the current situation regarding MOT testing in the UK except to make most classic cars more than 30 years old exempt from testing if they are not used day-to-day on the roads.
Where in the proposal does it say anything about how often 30 year old cars could be used?
And...
What the proposals will do is require all Member States to bring their road worthiness tests up to a certain level of rigour, already applied in the UK
It very much depends on what benchmark they intend to use for their 'level of rigour'. If it were the UK MoT Test then things may not be too bad. But if they use the TUV as a benchmark, then that is a whole other ball-game!
As for the standards, read the annexes, it's a UK test in all but name.
What's so hard to understand.
Edited by Morrisboy on Thursday 13th September 12:05
Fast forward from the year 2012 untill now,Does todays Daily Mail article on EU regs mean we have to start this discussion all over again, thought the FBHVC said they had this under control. Does anyone know the score on this situation or as usual we will be the last to find out the horrible truth ? 
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