RE: PH Blog: pure and simple
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20" wheels usually screams 'wrong' to me on a car of this type (well, almost any type, for that matter), but there's no denying they look stunning on this car, it sits well on them and I love the two-tone finish.
It really is a pretty looking thing, this new Boxster. Great bit of design.
It really is a pretty looking thing, this new Boxster. Great bit of design.
First off, I have to say I love my Porsches.
BUT having come back from a couple of test drives with a view of getting into a 991 as a semi-daily driver I feel exactly the same as the write up. Don't get me wrong the 991 is a more competent car than the out going 997, but it isn't a car I want more than the 997 (even with the MASSIVE improvement in interior design/finsih). For every new gen 911 that comes out, after a couple of drives I know that Porsche have moved the game on and I want the new generation more and move up the model number tree. But this one doesn't make me feel that way.
The 991 is a brilliant car, interior is fabulous and it looks beautiful (in a 911 way!). The only thing is that it goes about everything so effortlessly. I don't know about you, but for me the thrill is in the chase and in the 991 the chase seems too simple and effortless. Porsche have done this before in the step from the 996 GT3RS to the 997 GT3RS gen 1. I made the mistake of buying the gen 1 997 GT3RS without trying it and on the drive home realised that the 996 GT3RS was not as fast but made me work (and smile) wringing its neck. The gen 1 997 didn't have that final edge. It was however fixed by the gen 2 and I am once again a happy chap.
Anyway, I digress.
Feels like the pursuit of perfection as taken precedent over the thrill and experience. A boggo 997 Carrera S is not as sorted, but is much more of a hoon than the 991. For me anyway.
I liken cars to food; you can pay for the best Michelin starred restaurant fodder with all the trimmings etc. but nothing beats a proper simple home cooked roast done properly.
BUT having come back from a couple of test drives with a view of getting into a 991 as a semi-daily driver I feel exactly the same as the write up. Don't get me wrong the 991 is a more competent car than the out going 997, but it isn't a car I want more than the 997 (even with the MASSIVE improvement in interior design/finsih). For every new gen 911 that comes out, after a couple of drives I know that Porsche have moved the game on and I want the new generation more and move up the model number tree. But this one doesn't make me feel that way.
The 991 is a brilliant car, interior is fabulous and it looks beautiful (in a 911 way!). The only thing is that it goes about everything so effortlessly. I don't know about you, but for me the thrill is in the chase and in the 991 the chase seems too simple and effortless. Porsche have done this before in the step from the 996 GT3RS to the 997 GT3RS gen 1. I made the mistake of buying the gen 1 997 GT3RS without trying it and on the drive home realised that the 996 GT3RS was not as fast but made me work (and smile) wringing its neck. The gen 1 997 didn't have that final edge. It was however fixed by the gen 2 and I am once again a happy chap.
Anyway, I digress.
Feels like the pursuit of perfection as taken precedent over the thrill and experience. A boggo 997 Carrera S is not as sorted, but is much more of a hoon than the 991. For me anyway.
I liken cars to food; you can pay for the best Michelin starred restaurant fodder with all the trimmings etc. but nothing beats a proper simple home cooked roast done properly.
Gooby said:
Porsche wheels are just huge and thier "fantastic" grip in the twisters is down to shed loads of rubber on the road. In a specialist I saw a stack of 458 wheels next to a stack of carerra wheels. The Porsche had 30-40% more rubber. Ferrari would not numb the feel of thier cars with such huge amounts of rubber, just implement a design that works, not sticking to an outdated tradition and keeping dynamic performance acceptable with vast amounts of rubber.
Per the manufacturer's websites:The 991 S sits on 245/35 20 (Front) and 295/30 20 (Rear)
The 458 has 235/35 20 (Front) and 295/35 20 (Rear)
Maybe I misunderstood your statement?
Gooby said:
Porsche wheels are just huge and thier "fantastic" grip in the twisters is down to shed loads of rubber on the road. In a specialist I saw a stack of 458 wheels next to a stack of carerra wheels. The Porsche had 30-40% more rubber. Ferrari would not numb the feel of thier cars with such huge amounts of rubber, just implement a design that works, not sticking to an outdated tradition and keeping dynamic performance acceptable with vast amounts of rubber.
Not sure where you're getting your info from, as a 997.2S runs on exactly the same width tyres as a 458 (235 front/295 rear), but on 19"s against the Fezza's 20"s. Granted, the GT3/GT3RS run wider tyres, but not signicantly so.Ferrari, on the other hand, keep dynamic performance acceptable by throwing huge amounts of electronic driver aids at the problem...
Edited by 993RSGT3 on Thursday 23 August 14:59
Edited by 993RSGT3 on Thursday 23 August 15:01
otolith said:
gavzdc5445 said:
I know i'll get shot down in flames here- but am I the only one that doesn't like the wheels on the porsche?
Just think they look a bit "Halfords" with the black/ silver combo?
That style of wheel is on *everything* right now. I don't much like it either.Just think they look a bit "Halfords" with the black/ silver combo?
I wonder how these will fair come winter when they begin to blister badly like previous wheels with this/ similar coating? I work for VW and the amount of people complaining about lacquer flake on their alloys was horrific
otolith said:
gavzdc5445 said:
I know i'll get shot down in flames here- but am I the only one that doesn't like the wheels on the porsche?
Just think they look a bit "Halfords" with the black/ silver combo?
That style of wheel is on *everything* right now. I don't much like it either.Just think they look a bit "Halfords" with the black/ silver combo?
t for years on aftermarket wheels and it's no better on OEM stuff either.Don't Lift said:
As Jeff Daniels explained in his book, Car Suspension at Work (I think that was its title), a larger wheel does not mean extra grip. A wider wheel/tyre = extra grip, not an increase in diameter/circumference.
Correct me if i'm wrong but i am sure a 'larger diameter' tyre which is often the consequence of larger wheels does increase the contact patch of the tyre, therefore more grip.Oddball RS said:
Don't Lift said:
As Jeff Daniels explained in his book, Car Suspension at Work (I think that was its title), a larger wheel does not mean extra grip. A wider wheel/tyre = extra grip, not an increase in diameter/circumference.
Correct me if i'm wrong but i am sure a 'larger diameter' tyre which is often the consequence of larger wheels does increase the contact patch of the tyre, therefore more grip.SFO said:
easily "problem" to solve with the 981S:
stick with standard 19" wheels, and do not add PASM, PTV or Sport Chrono.
Thus specced, car (mine) is fabulous
Not a massive fan of white cars, but with the red details breaking it up that looks truly stunning. I'm sure it doesn't ride any worse for being on 19's either! Well done! stick with standard 19" wheels, and do not add PASM, PTV or Sport Chrono.
Thus specced, car (mine) is fabulous
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