RE: Driven: Mazda MX-5 GT Concept
Discussion
hornetrider said:
So you've stripped your FWD Focus to 1100kgs by removing seats, carpets and anything not vital.
Not sure what it has to do with a thread about a tuned RWD sports car that's all.
Jesus, right you are clearly missing my point which is its heavy and expensive, a better comparison would be the toybaru at 1200kg pretty much the same weight as the mx5, but it has a roof and four seats, and is spacious enough for tall drivers to be comfy, comes as standard with 200 n/a horses is cheaper and probably handles better than the 5, hear me now!Not sure what it has to do with a thread about a tuned RWD sports car that's all.
falconhoof said:
Jesus, right you are clearly missing my point which is its heavy and expensive, a better comparison would be the toybaru at 1200kg pretty much the same weight as the mx5, but it has a roof and four seats, and is spacious enough for tall drivers to be comfy, comes as standard with 200 n/a horses is cheaper and probably handles better than the 5, hear me now!
But what if you don't want/need four seats and a roof? Is the Toybaru still a better option? I think a lot of people are forgetting that squeezing an extra 40bhp out of an engine is one thing, making it reliable, meet emissions regs and sticking a 3 year warranty on it is something entirely different, which no doubt is where some of the cost comes from
Sooner or later I would imagine the ITB will be available as a kit for a couple of £K, then it all starts to make much more sense on a low mileage 2.0 sport. Isn't this setup like the bottom left one on here?
http://www.omextechnology.co.uk/page46.html
http://www.omextechnology.co.uk/page46.html
Superhoop said:
falconhoof said:
Jesus, right you are clearly missing my point which is its heavy and expensive, a better comparison would be the toybaru at 1200kg pretty much the same weight as the mx5, but it has a roof and four seats, and is spacious enough for tall drivers to be comfy, comes as standard with 200 n/a horses is cheaper and probably handles better than the 5, hear me now!
But what if you don't want/need four seats and a roof? Is the Toybaru still a better option? I think a lot of people are forgetting that squeezing an extra 40bhp out of an engine is one thing, making it reliable, meet emissions regs and sticking a 3 year warranty on it is something entirely different, which no doubt is where some of the cost comes from
ISTR the MX5 is under 1100 Kg if one subtracts the 75Kg driver addition. With 200 Bhp it puts the power to weight ratio into boxster 2.7 territory or the previously mentioned S2000. That has got to be pretty tempting as an after market tune up option. Got me tempted for sure, I really miss our old one.
Why do all these threads end up with someone with no imagination whatsoever suggesting that anyone who doesn't buy a Porsche is an idiot? It's pathetic, predictable, tedious and a blight on this otherwise excellent forum.
Back to the Mazda. How wonderful that there is a possibility that a major manufacturer will build something so different and exciting. The standard car is terrific, but a banzai engine, tweeked suspension and a bonkers colour scheme turns it into something truly special. I don't buy my cars to impress people or outrun oiks in remapped hot hatches. I buy them because they've got something about them that is different and exciting. This MX5 has that and more. Its price is a problem, but if you pick up a used MX5 for £10k and add these mods for a sensible price I'd struggle to think of a better all round package for the money.
Back to the Mazda. How wonderful that there is a possibility that a major manufacturer will build something so different and exciting. The standard car is terrific, but a banzai engine, tweeked suspension and a bonkers colour scheme turns it into something truly special. I don't buy my cars to impress people or outrun oiks in remapped hot hatches. I buy them because they've got something about them that is different and exciting. This MX5 has that and more. Its price is a problem, but if you pick up a used MX5 for £10k and add these mods for a sensible price I'd struggle to think of a better all round package for the money.
SonicHedgeHog said:
Why do all these threads end up with someone with no imagination whatsoever suggesting that anyone who doesn't buy a Porsche is an idiot? It's pathetic, predictable, tedious and a blight on this otherwise excellent forum.
Back to the Mazda. How wonderful that there is a possibility that a major manufacturer will build something so different and exciting. The standard car is terrific, but a banzai engine, tweeked suspension and a bonkers colour scheme turns it into something truly special. I don't buy my cars to impress people or outrun oiks in remapped hot hatches. I buy them because they've got something about them that is different and exciting. This MX5 has that and more. Its price is a problem, but if you pick up a used MX5 for £10k and add these mods for a sensible price I'd struggle to think of a better all round package for the money.
For 30k I can imagine much better things to spend my money on, as for being an oik in a remapped hot hatch, have you ever. Modified a car or do you think the manufacturers know best? Ah no imagination eh? Besides they won't make this car, no way jose! Buy a standard 5 and do some remapping and modifying haha, then you can be an oik too! Back to the Mazda. How wonderful that there is a possibility that a major manufacturer will build something so different and exciting. The standard car is terrific, but a banzai engine, tweeked suspension and a bonkers colour scheme turns it into something truly special. I don't buy my cars to impress people or outrun oiks in remapped hot hatches. I buy them because they've got something about them that is different and exciting. This MX5 has that and more. Its price is a problem, but if you pick up a used MX5 for £10k and add these mods for a sensible price I'd struggle to think of a better all round package for the money.
And for the record I didn't say anyone who doesn't buy a porsche is an idiot, I was simply sugesting the speedster is an instant classic and would embarass the 5 on every level that's all. I appreciate the 5's appeal but to me it is not that special! Not like a porsche! Oh and that orange rap looks rank!
RobDickinson said:
Never understood why mazda didnt drop the renesis into the mx5 when they released the mk3.
Probably to avoid doing to the MX5 what they'd done to the RX8. Not everyone wants a car with a fragile engine which uses catastrophic amounts of fuel.When I had my RX7 the only thing I really wanted to change was fuel consumption and waiting for an engine failure. And I love wankels.
TameRacingDriver said:
Well I for one like it. However, it's arguably a little too pricey (I think £25K-£27K would be more acceptable). I also don't think it will happen. And its not the first "hot MX5" is it? What about the Mk1 BBR Turbo?
As per my post above, I'm inclined to agree.I applaud (and put my money where my mouth is, in the case of the R26.R), when mainstream car makers try to think outside the box and create a niche offering within their standard product line. A Mk1 MX-5 was my first RWD sports car back in 1990; therefore, I always look at them with rose tinted specs. If they release this car and don't neuter it in the process (or kill it with a massive MSRP (£30k would kill it imho)), it could tempt me back into ownership - predominantly for track use.
However, as has been said, if Mazda do their normal 'special edition tricks (think Sport Black SE), the car will be a disappointment. Furthermore, if they get greedy with the price, again, I can see this falling flat.
IMHO the concept is excellent but the implementation needs to be well executed to make it appeal and sell in the numbers required to see an ROI.
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