RE: You Know You Want To: 200K Audi RS4 (B5)

RE: You Know You Want To: 200K Audi RS4 (B5)

Monday 27th August 2012

You Know You Want To: 200K Audi RS4 (B5)

There's leggy and there's leggy but if it means a twin-turbo RS4 for £7,500 then it could be worth a punt



The British have a fascination with mileage and used cars; buy something secondhand and you can guarantee any well-meaning friend or relative will pop the inevitable "so how many's on the clock?" before too long.

Subtle in black, there's menace here too
Subtle in black, there's menace here too
And, without fail, those who ask will associate a lower mileage figure with a car of superior condition. This is seemingly regardless of service history, perceived condition and driving characteristics. Apparently mileage isn't such a point of contention in other countries.

This is because the British obsession with the miles covered by a car is ridiculous, as well as often being unfounded. Offer me a the choice between two identical modern cars, one that does a couple of thousand of miles a year popping to the shops and one that is used properly and serviced properly by a knowledgeable owner and the supposedly 'fresher' car wouldn't get a look in.

Admittedly, a twin-turbo Audi RS4 with 198,000 miles on the clock may be stretching faith in that mantra a little too far. But it could also be perfect fodder for someone seeking a (fairly) practical and very fast estate.

200,000 miles something to fear?
200,000 miles something to fear?
Of course, the main prerequisite with high-mileage cars is proof of regular maintenance. If it hasn't received the sort of necessary, structured and thorough attention any 380bhp V6 car should receive, whether it's worth £7,500 or £75,000, then walk away. But then that's obvious, isn't it?

Encouragingly, the vendor of this particular RS4 states it has a full set of services from either Audi main dealers or Audi specialists. So far, so tempting. Moreover, the car looks in fine fettle cosmetically, with a small dent and the inevitable stone chips the only (apparent) imperfections. And, apart from a faulty airpump, it isn't plagued by mechanical maladies either. Now it's only natural to take the description of a near-200,000 mile car with a pinch of salt, but it could certainly appear far worse.

And more importantly that all of this, a B5 RS4 is still a hugely desirable car. To these eyes, those swollen arches still look great and yet, to many, it probably just looks like a decade-old Audi estate. Also, these were never the most incisive driving tools, so it's unlikely to have been hooned around at 10/10ths very often. It may not have covered every single yard on the motorway as claimed, but you would expect its treatment over time to have been more sympathetic than, say, an M3 of similar vintage. And given the plethora of tuned B5s, either S4 or RS4-based, the 2.7-litre V6 must be a strong unit (although stories of the opposite must exist?).

Just as colourful on the inside too!
Just as colourful on the inside too!
Then there's the main hook of this RS4; an advertised price at least £2,000 less than than any equivalent car. These B5s are far from spring chickens either, with many at the £10-£11k price level having covered comfortably more than 100,000 miles. This apparent tolerance for high miles perhaps makes the black example here less of a risk than it first appears. Having had eyes on this for a while, the seller may even be open to offers under the listed amount. Not being an expert, it's difficult to say how far £2,000 (possibly more) goes towards keeping an extensively-used RS4 on the road, but it would be nice to think there's a bargain there for somebody.


AUDI RS4 AVANT (B5)
Price:
£7,500
Why you should: Still very fast and seemingly mechanically strong. A very cool performance estate for £7.5K.
Why you shouldn't: Two turbos, 380bhp, 4WD, 1,620kg, 198,000miles ... it's potentially a very expensive and painful high-mileage experiment.

See the original advert here.

 

 

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wiliferus

Original Poster:

4,060 posts

198 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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Very tempting. But also very scary! The ability of that car to destroy your wallet (and possibly your relationship!) is strong.

But hell, bang for buck, you'd be doing well!

epom

11,489 posts

161 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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Love these smile Be a nice car for someone who knew what they are doing !!

Mermaid

21,492 posts

171 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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A classic, not quite like the RS2 but still desirable.

ManOpener

12,467 posts

169 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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If it's all working and the usual consumables have been replaced, then it sounds like a worthwhile punt. I'd be a little concerned if it was still on the original set of turbos, as I'm led to believe that both the S and RS4 of this generation have an insatiable appetite for BorgWarner bits.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

274 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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I would be more worried by the gearbox/drivetrain... they make a pair of turbo's look cheap!

alexmorse

5 posts

148 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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For someone with a 250,000 mile Omega in his family this is pretty good for only being 3 years younger... Probably worth spending a bit more on a lower mileage car if you don't wanna spend money in the long run!

KimZ

225 posts

214 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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Nice, but if you *must* take a punt on old iron, then imo this is nicer: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-E34-M5-3-8-6-speed-s...
Although I am a bit biased.. wink

iva cosworth

44,044 posts

163 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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KimZ said:
Nice, but if you *must* take a punt on old iron, then imo this is nicer: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-E34-M5-3-8-6-speed-s...
Although I am a bit biased.. wink
Ooh that M5 is niceyes

£7K spent refurbing,for sale at £7.5K

Patrick Bateman

12,173 posts

174 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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Is £7500 not a bit steep given the age and mileage?

slipstream 1985

12,211 posts

179 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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that advert makes the 100k milers look better. As long as they have similarly stamped and looked after services the 100ks will be capable of 200k. for £2000 more to get a car that is potentially only halfway through its life is a worthwhile payment. ceterus parabus

Dr G

15,166 posts

242 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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It might be fine....




...it might not.

These cars need knowledgable and careful maintenance. "Full service history" is not enough in this case, it'll need a very careful inspection before purchase. That's maybe worth £7500 in spot on order, behind that for any work it might need.

Changedmyname

12,545 posts

181 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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Patrick Bateman said:
Is £7500 not a bit steep given the age and mileage?
Indeed and the price to feed it.

West4x4

672 posts

172 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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slipstream 1985 said:
that advert makes the 100k milers look better. As long as they have similarly stamped and looked after services the 100ks will be capable of 200k. for £2000 more to get a car that is potentially only halfway through its life is a worthwhile payment. ceterus parabus
Or it might show up all the bits that need doing in the next 100k which could add up to a big bill! if its been well maintained it could be worth a punt id haggle tho much better bargin at £6500-£7000

KimZ

225 posts

214 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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iva cosworth said:
Ooh that M5 is niceyes

£7K spent refurbing,for sale at £7.5K
Looks very promising, doesn't it?! Good job I haven't a spare 7k kicking about..

A14RGS

227 posts

172 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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Wow, that makes my recent purchase of an A6 2.7T quattro avant for £1750 look even more of a bargain than I thought! biggrin
My A6 had a mere 210k when I bought it (now on 218k) and has full dealer and specialist history with receipts. I did a quick calculation recently that confirmed that it has used over £50000 of petrol in it's 10-year life!! High mileage and a big thirsty petrol engine would see most potential buyers walking by without a glance - their loss, my gain.
Admittedly the A6 2.7T has smaller turbos and is in a lower state of tune than the RS4, but in theory that should make it last even longer than the equivalent RS4....
FWIW, I bought the A6 to replace a 356k-mile A4 2.6 that is still going strong. It's all down to how you look after 'em.... wink
If I was in the market for an RS4, I'd certainly consider the high-miler, but I'd want to meet and talk to the owner first.

tommy vercetti

11,487 posts

163 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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Not the biggest Audi fan in the world, but I love these

Hellbound

2,500 posts

176 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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I guess if you got it at an absolute steal, it would make a great starting point for some crazy modifications. You're probably going to rebuild everything and replace all the worn bits anyway so the 200k shouldn't be that scary.

Dave Hedgehog

14,546 posts

204 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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still miss mine

i do not like them in red thou

melvster

6,841 posts

185 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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Dave Hedgehog said:
still miss mine

i do not like them in red thou
Agreed, Imola Yellow was by far the best colour wink

405dogvan

5,326 posts

265 months

Saturday 25th August 2012
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Interesting choice of car - because, let's be honest, it's potential to break it's buyer means it's probably WAY overpriced.

If you're a preservationist/collector, you don't want a 200K example really do you? You spend a bit more for a cleaner example.

So unless it's utterly perfect (deeply unlikely) then anyone with sense would knock that price down. The seller is reliant on someone who's eyes are bigger than their brain here.