RE: You Know You Want To: 200K Audi RS4 (B5)

[4key]

carinaman said:

When you click on the advert link in the original advert it now comes up with 'advert rejected' with some stuff about fraud warnings underneath? It was dodgy then, or just an alternative to 'advert expired' that's something to do with the changes in the classfieds and the beta?

Must be because the car was sold, the new ebay advert is from the person who bought the car a month ago with 180k on it.

[blade7]

djdestiny said:

blade7 said:

It's nice one, and you knew what you were looking for, what about the ones you walked away from that less informed people would buy ?.

Edited by blade7 on Tuesday 28th August 12:13

Id like to think that anyone buying a specialist car of any make or model is going to do a fair bit of homework/research first.
More the fool them if not!

I did the research and decided a B5 RS4 wasn't really a practical daily for me, more of a weekend car and I've already got one of those.

[carinaman]

4key said:

Must be because the car was sold, the new ebay advert is from the person who bought the car a month ago with 180k on it.

It was 198K.

[4key]

Well whatever it was on when he sold it, its on a lot less now

[carinaman]

4key said:

Well whatever it was on when he sold it, its on a lot less now

I think those hair cuts are called 'grade ones'.

What's 18K between friends? Especially if one of them does 'mileage correction'?

Edited by carinaman on Sunday 23 September 18:49

[Ian_C]

There would be no point in clocking it from 200 to 180 - it has been clocked back to 130k

[K50 DEL]

Unfortunately e-bay are no help, there's no facility to tell them that the listing is fraudulent... only an automated thing that doesn't allow you to type any form of message.

[Welshbeef]

K50 DEL said:

Unfortunately e-bay are no help, there's no facility to tell them that the listing is fraudulent... only an automated thing that doesn't allow you to type any form of message.

I'd say email this to the police with all the evidence this will potentially stop an innocent buying overpaying for a fraudulent vehicle. I'd want to buy an honest one not some job ie.


Do these and other cars not have an engine running time stored which cannot be cleared? I'm keen on asking the seller if I can take it to an Audi garage to check the milage and obtain the history ...

[4key]

You could just ask him for the number at the top of the v5 form and then look at the mileage of every previous mot on the dvla website

[carinaman]

YOU KNOW THEY WANT TO CLOCK: 200K AUDI RS4 (B5)

[Ian_C]

Welshbeef said:

Do these and other cars not have an engine running time stored which cannot be cleared? I'm keen on asking the seller if I can take it to an Audi garage to check the milage and obtain the history ...

Yep, you can read the ecu mileage with VAGCOM even if the dash has been changed / the car has been clocked.

[carinaman]

Ian_C said:

Welshbeef said:

Do these and other cars not have an engine running time stored which cannot be cleared? I'm keen on asking the seller if I can take it to an Audi garage to check the milage and obtain the history ...

Yep, you can read the ecu mileage with VAGCOM even if the dash has been changed / the car has been clocked.

Can VAGCOM tell you when the odometer was altered and what the mileage was when it was changed?

You could 'mileage correction' the odometer back to what it should be, but it may not be so easy to recover the service history documentation.

'Millage' is intentionally mispelt to allow for wriggle room?

Edited by carinaman on Monday 24th September 17:58

Edited by carinaman on Monday 24th September 17:58

[redstu]

The seller has now added to the auction a note stating that they have been informed that the mileage when previously sold was 198000.
Seems that the last buyer was the dishonest one.

[hadenough!]

redstu said:

The seller has now added to the auction a note stating that they have been informed that the mileage when previously sold was 198000.
Seems that the last buyer was the dishonest one.

Maybe, maybe not, the trouble is its not even worth a punt at the original £7.5k now as the history's been binned.

[4key]

redstu said:

The seller has now added to the auction a note stating that they have been informed that the mileage when previously sold was 198000.
Seems that the last buyer was the dishonest one.

Someone come down to essex from birmingham and bought a car to part exchange to the current seller for another car? Very unlikely, but possible.

The Ebay ad at the moments states at the top 'which I have got in part exchange'

at the bottom it says 'This is a very reluctant sale as I have now got a new car so has to go.'

That car left essex around a month ago with the correct mileage and all of the history

[Ian_C]

carinaman said:

Ian_C said:

Welshbeef said:

Do these and other cars not have an engine running time stored which cannot be cleared? I'm keen on asking the seller if I can take it to an Audi garage to check the milage and obtain the history ...

Yep, you can read the ecu mileage with VAGCOM even if the dash has been changed / the car has been clocked.

Can VAGCOM tell you when the odometer was altered and what the mileage was when it was changed?

You could 'mileage correction' the odometer back to what it should be, but it may not be so easy to recover the service history documentation.

Don't think so, it just gives the overall mileage in the ecu regardless of what the dash says.

It is a real shame the service history and mot print outs will have been destroyed. As mentioned previously by people that viewed this car in the passed it was in great condition for 200k with an incredibly comprehensive service file documenting work completed. Sadly, as mentioned in the opening article 'You know you want to', people will pay more for a car 'showing' 130k with limited history than a fully service history 200k example with all the bills and every mot present. Barmy but true.

My 205 GTi has done almost 150k but is in amazing condition with three folders of service history, every single mot, every single tax disc. The previous owner was an ex-colleague who couldn't sell it as people were put off by the mileage and wanted a low mileage one. You can clock them in about five minutes with a screwdriver, plus you can can also pull the clocks forward slightly so the dash odo doesn't count up the miles as you drive along! The mileage on the dash means nothing without history and mots. I never planned to buy it, but when we were talking about it and he said he was going to drop the price by another £450 it had to be done!

[Pentoman]

Dodgy buggers.

Oh and how convenient - he just had it in part exchange with the new low mileage. It must have been 'the guy who I got it from'. So pray tell me, how does he know that it's all ’motorway mileage' then as he claims?

Best bet would be to look up the previous MOTs online but it still irks.

[carinaman]

http://audisrs.com/ftopic39320-0-asc-45.php

It's all a bit saddening really.

[Welshbeef]

carinaman said:

http://audisrs.com/ftopic39320-0-asc-45.php

It's all a bit saddening really.

So it has no current hard copy MOT?
However if you go online with the V5 details it will give you soft copies to print off. At which point of te most recent does have 198k then the one a year pre that 180k and he one before that 160k then clearly it's false. A reputable trader will permit you to get that info but then oh dear...

I wider what would happen if a previous owner contacted him saying I've got the history all the way up to 180k when I sold it to another person who then sold it at 198k would you like me to post te history but clearly you are trying to sell a clocked car.

[Welshbeef]

I've bid £6,100 however with the strict criteria that the Online MOTs backup his low milage statement.