RE: Farewell Range Rover
Discussion
Pistonwot said:
OMG
It appears there is some sort of bounder infused Range Rover gang,,,, "you will respect my authoritaaaa",
Does the gang consider others at all in any facet of daily life?
What of,
A Other road users safety when your multi-tonne vehicles hit them
B The environmental impact you are having (disposal of, use of resources to create, etc)
C The impact of such a vehicles crushing weight on poor roads
D What of the pedestrians they crush
E and the effect on others of driving something physically too big for UK roads
What about the kittens? Everytime a Range Rover starts at least zero kittens die, fact.It appears there is some sort of bounder infused Range Rover gang,,,, "you will respect my authoritaaaa",
Does the gang consider others at all in any facet of daily life?
What of,
A Other road users safety when your multi-tonne vehicles hit them
B The environmental impact you are having (disposal of, use of resources to create, etc)
C The impact of such a vehicles crushing weight on poor roads
D What of the pedestrians they crush
E and the effect on others of driving something physically too big for UK roads
Pistonwot said:
OMG
It appears there is some sort of bounder infused Range Rover gang,,,, "you will respect my authoritaaaa",
Does the gang consider others at all in any facet of daily life?
What of,
A Other road users safety when your multi-tonne vehicles hit them
B The environmental impact you are having (disposal of, use of resources to create, etc)
C The impact of such a vehicles crushing weight on poor roads
D What of the pedestrians they crush
E and the effect on others of driving something physically too big for UK roads
:ROFL:It appears there is some sort of bounder infused Range Rover gang,,,, "you will respect my authoritaaaa",
Does the gang consider others at all in any facet of daily life?
What of,
A Other road users safety when your multi-tonne vehicles hit them
B The environmental impact you are having (disposal of, use of resources to create, etc)
C The impact of such a vehicles crushing weight on poor roads
D What of the pedestrians they crush
E and the effect on others of driving something physically too big for UK roads
Pistonwot said:
OMG
It appears there is some sort of bounder infused Range Rover gang,,,, "you will respect my authoritaaaa",
Does the gang consider others at all in any facet of daily life?
What of,
A Other road users safety when your multi-tonne vehicles hit them
B The environmental impact you are having (disposal of, use of resources to create, etc)
C The impact of such a vehicles crushing weight on poor roads
D What of the pedestrians they crush
E and the effect on others of driving something physically too big for UK roads
Nope. It appears there's some backpedalling going on! One minute you're telling us that the PH "speed matters" tagline is the whole reason people are (or ought to) be on here, and that people with cars which you don't like (i.e. ones that don't match your notion of "speed") shouldn't be on here. Now you're towing the green party line. So which is it? Speed freak or yoghurt knitter?It appears there is some sort of bounder infused Range Rover gang,,,, "you will respect my authoritaaaa",
Does the gang consider others at all in any facet of daily life?
What of,
A Other road users safety when your multi-tonne vehicles hit them
B The environmental impact you are having (disposal of, use of resources to create, etc)
C The impact of such a vehicles crushing weight on poor roads
D What of the pedestrians they crush
E and the effect on others of driving something physically too big for UK roads
Now I know why you won't 'fess up to what car you drive.
Never mind, back to school next week.
Chrisw666 said:
Shall I get on the phone to my staff and pull all of our Transit minibuses off the road with immediate effect as they are larger, heavier and often thirstier than a TDV8 Range Rover.
I think you'd better. Just think of all those pedestrians you crush. 
I realise that this might be a little odd but I think this is the last car in production which got the nod from the (in my very personal opinion) great Dr Wolfgang Reitzle!
Some may not have liked him but my god he signed off on some of the greats and I actually thought he was a brilliant guy - just a hideous perfectionist!!
(Edit: realised it sounded like he was dead - he went off to run Linde)
Some may not have liked him but my god he signed off on some of the greats and I actually thought he was a brilliant guy - just a hideous perfectionist!!
(Edit: realised it sounded like he was dead - he went off to run Linde)
Totally agree with the comments that there seem to be some good ones & some completely unreliable ones.
You only need to trawl through some of the forums to get a feel for the common reoccuring problems some of the RR's have - gearboxes on the earlier disels seem to be a particular pain in the arse.
As an owner of an early 4.4 petrol that's done 140k with 2 problems since new a dodgy gearbox ecu that cost £275 to repair and a blown coolant hose that cost £7 I can say I've been pretty pleased with it's reliability and on LPG dare I say it can almost be classed as cheap to run!
I've been lucky enough to drive all kinds of cars over the years and for wafting around in & crusing along the motorway the only thing that came close was a Bentley Arnage but I couldn't get that to go through a field very well!
As for the speed matters thing try racing a supercharged one away from the lights, they don't half lift up their skirts and go some for a big old girl - admittedly fecked when you get to the cornes though! I don't think you'd have to go back far to find a point in time when the 0-60 time of a supercharged would be up there with some pretty serious sports cars which aint bad for something the size of St Pauls Cathedral (to quote Mr Clarkson)
Can't wait for the new one as I might be able to upgrade to a current Supercharged as their prices tumble!
You only need to trawl through some of the forums to get a feel for the common reoccuring problems some of the RR's have - gearboxes on the earlier disels seem to be a particular pain in the arse.
As an owner of an early 4.4 petrol that's done 140k with 2 problems since new a dodgy gearbox ecu that cost £275 to repair and a blown coolant hose that cost £7 I can say I've been pretty pleased with it's reliability and on LPG dare I say it can almost be classed as cheap to run!
I've been lucky enough to drive all kinds of cars over the years and for wafting around in & crusing along the motorway the only thing that came close was a Bentley Arnage but I couldn't get that to go through a field very well!
As for the speed matters thing try racing a supercharged one away from the lights, they don't half lift up their skirts and go some for a big old girl - admittedly fecked when you get to the cornes though! I don't think you'd have to go back far to find a point in time when the 0-60 time of a supercharged would be up there with some pretty serious sports cars which aint bad for something the size of St Pauls Cathedral (to quote Mr Clarkson)
Can't wait for the new one as I might be able to upgrade to a current Supercharged as their prices tumble!
Pistonwot said:
I doubt many people speed nowadays really, best off tracking it, anyway lets not shift focus to another moot point.
If you were here from the early days then you should realise why the site was started and what for, hence "speed matters".
Not "image matters", or "what others think of me really matters", or "towing matters"
I wonder why they chose "speed matters"?
If you were here from the start maybe you could recall what "speed matters" means and stands for.
Could you take your very small willy and crawl back under your bridge? Thanks.If you were here from the early days then you should realise why the site was started and what for, hence "speed matters".
Not "image matters", or "what others think of me really matters", or "towing matters"
I wonder why they chose "speed matters"?
If you were here from the start maybe you could recall what "speed matters" means and stands for.
Jammez said:
As for the speed matters thing...
Plus, experience tell me a lot of very talented drivers do not want full-on, pants-on-fire handling and performance every day. The tendency is to keep a hot road car or track only weapon, for high days and holidays and, the rest of the time, travel in comfort and safety.Certainly when I last held an MSA licence, the drive home from an event was sacrier than the event itself - driving back on public roads felt so much more random after the luxury of a hilclimb or sprint circuit to yourself. The majority of fellow competitors - all dedicated speed freaks on the track - would say they generally drove slower on the roads because of their experiences on track.
Comfort and 'waft-factor' - underestimated IMHO.
SGirl said:
Pistonwot said:
I doubt many people speed nowadays really, best off tracking it, anyway lets not shift focus to another moot point.
If you were here from the early days then you should realise why the site was started and what for, hence "speed matters".
Not "image matters", or "what others think of me really matters", or "towing matters"
I wonder why they chose "speed matters"?
If you were here from the start maybe you could recall what "speed matters" means and stands for.
You're right, let's not shift focus. But equally, let's not quote selectively and avoid telling the world what we drive, hey? If you were here from the early days then you should realise why the site was started and what for, hence "speed matters".
Not "image matters", or "what others think of me really matters", or "towing matters"
I wonder why they chose "speed matters"?
If you were here from the start maybe you could recall what "speed matters" means and stands for.
I'm presuming you do drive something."Speed matters" is just a clever tagline, nothing more. Don't read more into it than is there - it's short, snappy and to the point (and it looks nice on stickers). It's handy that it happens to be applicable to all vehicles though, not just TVRs. All cars/vehicles, by inference, are able to proceed "at speed", no matter what that speed is. If Haymarket had disliked it when they took over the site from Ted, I'm sure they'd have changed it.
I don't know when "speed matters" was introduced, maybe Podie, JeremyC or one of the really old people
can tell you that. (Ted, are you still around?) But the fact that Ted didn't change it even when he started up other subforums is neither here nor there - there are subforums for books, business, gardening, watches, and all kinds of things. They have nothing to do with "speed" or even motion in some cases! Have you asked people why they bought their RRs, rather than assuming they're all in it for the look of the thing? I'm pretty sure they didn't buy them just to get up the noses of people who can't afford them though. We've got the point - you hate RRs. Well, good for you. I hate several cars and wouldn't be seen dead in them, but I simply don't bother to comment on threads about those. So why are you investing so much effort in b
hing about RRs?and from memory (do correct me if Im wrong) PH used to be about octane, fun, cars and general petrol headedness.
How does a Diesel RR fit the brief? Im really struggling to "get it", just cant make the connection.
Im old too (or maybe just too old) and although I registered recently I have been visiting and reading PH for many years, a serial lurky lurker since it began you could say.
I am dissapointed how its such a diluted version of its former self. Are we now reduced to tedium delivered as a story about any marketable product so long as its got a couple or more wheels attached?
Sack barrow review anyone, road test of a tow along suit-case in Burberry trim perhaps?
Its sad, thats all.
Tongue in cheek humour doesnt always carry across on keyboards, no need to be so serious and no need for offendedness or upset. We dont agree, who cares!
b
hing? Really, well at least I can clearly understand why there is such severe attitude, change that viewpoint from aggressive to passive Mrs Punchy.
FYI I am investing in a discussion in order to try to learn from it.
PH is (erm, was is more accurate now I suppose) a forum intended for discussion and airing differing opinions on cars. Im really trying to "get it" about the RR gang but find them no less abhorrant for reasons previously stated but none have yet been addressed to correct me.
The only constant is plenty of aggression directed towards all of those who disagree with
"TheyRRe gRReeeeeat, I know because I have one"
Tells its own tale that does,,,,
Strangely its in keeping with many of the points made and consistently avoided by the fanboys thus far.
Pistonwot said:
I drive about 367 yards with a great handicap too,,,
and from memory (do correct me if Im wrong) PH used to be about octane, fun, cars and general petrol headedness.
How does a Diesel RR fit the brief? Im really struggling to "get it", just cant make the connection.
Im old too (or maybe just too old) and although I registered recently I have been visiting and reading PH for many years, a serial lurky lurker since it began you could say.
I am dissapointed how its such a diluted version of its former self. Are we now reduced to tedium delivered as a story about any marketable product so long as its got a couple or more wheels attached?
Sack barrow review anyone, road test of a tow along suit-case in Burberry trim perhaps?
Its sad, thats all.
Tongue in cheek humour doesnt always carry across on keyboards, no need to be so serious and no need for offendedness or upset. We dont agree, who cares!
bhing?
Really, well at least I can clearly understand why there is such severe attitude, change that viewpoint from aggressive to passive Mrs Punchy.
FYI I am investing in a discussion in order to try to learn from it.
PH is (erm, was is more accurate now I suppose) a forum intended for discussion and airing differing opinions on cars. Im really trying to "get it" about the RR gang but find them no less abhorrant for reasons previously stated but none have yet been addressed to correct me.
The only constant is plenty of aggression directed towards all of those who disagree with
"TheyRRe gRReeeeeat, I know because I have one"
Tells its own tale that does,,,,
Strangely its in keeping with many of the points made and consistently avoided by the fanboys thus far.
Stop talking crap, you silly little man. and from memory (do correct me if Im wrong) PH used to be about octane, fun, cars and general petrol headedness.
How does a Diesel RR fit the brief? Im really struggling to "get it", just cant make the connection.
Im old too (or maybe just too old) and although I registered recently I have been visiting and reading PH for many years, a serial lurky lurker since it began you could say.
I am dissapointed how its such a diluted version of its former self. Are we now reduced to tedium delivered as a story about any marketable product so long as its got a couple or more wheels attached?
Sack barrow review anyone, road test of a tow along suit-case in Burberry trim perhaps?
Its sad, thats all.
Tongue in cheek humour doesnt always carry across on keyboards, no need to be so serious and no need for offendedness or upset. We dont agree, who cares!
b
hing? Really, well at least I can clearly understand why there is such severe attitude, change that viewpoint from aggressive to passive Mrs Punchy.
FYI I am investing in a discussion in order to try to learn from it.
PH is (erm, was is more accurate now I suppose) a forum intended for discussion and airing differing opinions on cars. Im really trying to "get it" about the RR gang but find them no less abhorrant for reasons previously stated but none have yet been addressed to correct me.
The only constant is plenty of aggression directed towards all of those who disagree with
"TheyRRe gRReeeeeat, I know because I have one"
Tells its own tale that does,,,,
Strangely its in keeping with many of the points made and consistently avoided by the fanboys thus far.
You're the one who arrived with personal insults and have since tried to find various feeble excuses to try and justify your contempt.
This place is filling up these days with bitter little schmucks.
DonkeyApple said:
Pistonwot said:
I drive about 367 yards with a great handicap too,,,
and from memory (do correct me if Im wrong) PH used to be about octane, fun, cars and general petrol headedness.
How does a Diesel RR fit the brief? Im really struggling to "get it", just cant make the connection.
Im old too (or maybe just too old) and although I registered recently I have been visiting and reading PH for many years, a serial lurky lurker since it began you could say.
I am dissapointed how its such a diluted version of its former self. Are we now reduced to tedium delivered as a story about any marketable product so long as its got a couple or more wheels attached?
Sack barrow review anyone, road test of a tow along suit-case in Burberry trim perhaps?
Its sad, thats all.
Tongue in cheek humour doesnt always carry across on keyboards, no need to be so serious and no need for offendedness or upset. We dont agree, who cares!
bhing?
Really, well at least I can clearly understand why there is such severe attitude, change that viewpoint from aggressive to passive Mrs Punchy.
FYI I am investing in a discussion in order to try to learn from it.
PH is (erm, was is more accurate now I suppose) a forum intended for discussion and airing differing opinions on cars. Im really trying to "get it" about the RR gang but find them no less abhorrant for reasons previously stated but none have yet been addressed to correct me.
The only constant is plenty of aggression directed towards all of those who disagree with
"TheyRRe gRReeeeeat, I know because I have one"
Tells its own tale that does,,,,
Strangely its in keeping with many of the points made and consistently avoided by the fanboys thus far.
Stop talking crap, you silly little man. and from memory (do correct me if Im wrong) PH used to be about octane, fun, cars and general petrol headedness.
How does a Diesel RR fit the brief? Im really struggling to "get it", just cant make the connection.
Im old too (or maybe just too old) and although I registered recently I have been visiting and reading PH for many years, a serial lurky lurker since it began you could say.
I am dissapointed how its such a diluted version of its former self. Are we now reduced to tedium delivered as a story about any marketable product so long as its got a couple or more wheels attached?
Sack barrow review anyone, road test of a tow along suit-case in Burberry trim perhaps?
Its sad, thats all.
Tongue in cheek humour doesnt always carry across on keyboards, no need to be so serious and no need for offendedness or upset. We dont agree, who cares!
b
hing? Really, well at least I can clearly understand why there is such severe attitude, change that viewpoint from aggressive to passive Mrs Punchy.
FYI I am investing in a discussion in order to try to learn from it.
PH is (erm, was is more accurate now I suppose) a forum intended for discussion and airing differing opinions on cars. Im really trying to "get it" about the RR gang but find them no less abhorrant for reasons previously stated but none have yet been addressed to correct me.
The only constant is plenty of aggression directed towards all of those who disagree with
"TheyRRe gRReeeeeat, I know because I have one"
Tells its own tale that does,,,,
Strangely its in keeping with many of the points made and consistently avoided by the fanboys thus far.
You're the one who arrived with personal insults and have since tried to find various feeble excuses to try and justify your contempt.
This place is filling up these days with bitter little schmucks.
I love the way you seem to think *I'm* the aggressive one round here.
It's quite funny the way you keep avoiding the issue of what you drive. A real Pistonheader, "speed matters" and all, would be proud of their car no matter what it is. It doesn't have to be quick, or flash, or universally accepted. You just have to like it and enjoy driving it. Calling someone else's choice of car "abhorrent" is a completely disproportionate response to an article about a car that's loved by many people. As I said above, if you don't like it then why even waste time posting about it? You'll never change anyone's views by posting on the Internet.And for the umpteenth time, Pistonwot - RRs are available with petrol engines as well.
Dusty964 said:
I'm sorry to be so blunt, but you do appear to be a cretin
Ahh, I wouldn't worry. I wheeled that fine comment out for our man Pinstonwot wayyy back on page two This has become rather sad though.I think the problem for him, looking at it subjectively, is that in his mind a petrolhead is someone who likes sports or just 'fast' cars, but not necessarily other types. Which, of course, is completely wrong. A petrolhead is a car enthusiast, whether that enthusiasm is aimed at a Range Rover going 4mph through what it really shouldn't be able to trudge through, a 250 GTO flying around Monza or an immaculate Golf GTI is irrelevant.
Broaden your horizons!
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