RE: Farewell Range Rover

RE: Farewell Range Rover

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Don1

15,936 posts

207 months

Monday 27th August 2012
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Pistonwot said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
vile car, well giant shed on wheels
+1

Spot on assessment, no idea what its doing on PH either, not very PH at all or Ive got the wrong idea about PH.
Thought it was about inspired cars for motoring enthusiasts?????
Ridiculous sentiments - sorry, but there you go. In your blinkered view later on Pistonwot, the Carver doesn't belong on here, nor any bikes, motored or otherwise.

Does this mean the giant V8 and V10 American pickups are not welcome? What about iconic split screen campers.

At the end of the day, from my garage, if I wanted a single car to keep and do everything, my FFRR would be it. Seriously. I would leave behind my modified Sagaris. Bin the V6 Clio. Ignore the 911.

The Rangie is that good. I know one mans meat is another poison, but I would suggest that your view of PH differs from the vast majority.

Pistonwot

413 posts

158 months

Monday 27th August 2012
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Stu R said:
Pistonwot said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
vile car, well giant shed on wheels
+1

Spot on assessment, no idea what its doing on PH either, not very PH at all or Ive got the wrong idea about PH.
Thought it was about inspired cars for motoring enthusiasts?????
Clearly you find it difficult to comprehend that there's a ton of people on PH who like different things, so you probably do have the wrong idea, yes.
If you want a website which caters solely to the things you like, nobody's stopping you from finding one elsewhere or creating one yourself.
Not at all,,,, but it seems the other ilk is very confused.
WHY should PH dilute its focus to suit vapid numptys and fashionistas by including very un-PistonHeads material?
By way of example when will the latest Massey Ferguson or Claas be featured on PistonHeads I query?
In fact the only thing I find difficult to comprehend is,,,,,, why is it on here at all?
Another way to view your infantile last point.
There are other websites and magazines called Agricultural Weekly and Farmers Monthly, Country Life, Caravanning, The Dull Days Ahead, Retirement Review, etc,
These are better suited to Agricultural tools and things for Farmers.
Whats the problem with boring people on DEDICATED sites with Range Rover admiration tales?
At least they would be interested and, it is what the sites were intended for after all.


Trommel

18,988 posts

258 months

Monday 27th August 2012
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Pistonwot said:
Not at all,,,, but it seems the other ilk is very confused.
WHY should PH dilute its focus to suit vapid numptys and fashionistas by including very un-PistonHeads material?
By way of example when will the latest Massey Ferguson or Claas be featured on PistonHeads I query?
In fact the only thing I find difficult to comprehend is,,,,,, why is it on here at all?
Another way to view your infantile last point.
There are other websites and magazines called Agricultural Weekly and Farmers Monthly, Country Life, Caravanning, The Dull Days Ahead, Retirement Review, etc,
These are better suited to Agricultural tools and things for Farmers.
Whats the problem with boring people on DEDICATED sites with Range Rover admiration tales?
At least they would be interested and, it is what the sites were intended for after all.
Idiot.

Negative Creep

24,942 posts

226 months

Monday 27th August 2012
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Despite the WAG and rapper brigade, there is still something classy about a Range Rover, especially in dark green or blue

Gatsods

388 posts

167 months

Monday 27th August 2012
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Pistonwot said:
Not at all,,,, but it seems the other ilk is very confused.
WHY should PH dilute its focus to suit vapid numptys and fashionistas by including very un-PistonHeads material?
By way of example when will the latest Massey Ferguson or Claas be featured on PistonHeads I query?
In fact the only thing I find difficult to comprehend is,,,,,, why is it on here at all?
Another way to view your infantile last point.
There are other websites and magazines called Agricultural Weekly and Farmers Monthly, Country Life, Caravanning, The Dull Days Ahead, Retirement Review, etc,
These are better suited to Agricultural tools and things for Farmers.
Whats the problem with boring people on DEDICATED sites with Range Rover admiration tales?
At least they would be interested and, it is what the sites were intended for after all.
Yeah you're spot on here. I think Pistonheads should actually become a TVR and MX5 forum. That would make it much more interesting.

You cretin.

Voguely

340 posts

157 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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Great car, good write up. I've been running a 2003 L322 for 3 years now as a daily drive and other than the epic petrol bills it has been awesome. So comfortable, really useful elevated seating position, tons of space in the back and suprisingly fast (in petrol version).

As for those saying this isn't a PH type car? Really? Its got a 4.4l V8 and is one of the most complete cars in the world!

Captain Cadillac

2,974 posts

186 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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Don1 said:
Ridiculous sentiments - sorry, but there you go. In your blinkered view later on Pistonwot, the Carver doesn't belong on here, nor any bikes, motored or otherwise.

Does this mean the giant V8 and V10 American pickups are not welcome? What about iconic split screen campers.

At the end of the day, from my garage, if I wanted a single car to keep and do everything, my FFRR would be it. Seriously. I would leave behind my modified Sagaris. Bin the V6 Clio. Ignore the 911.

The Rangie is that good. I know one mans meat is another poison, but I would suggest that your view of PH differs from the vast majority.
Well said. I drive anything from a silly italian thing, to an E28 M5 to a boring Lexus to a Porsche 356 to a 1960 Lincoln. I'm at the point where I need another Range Rover. Sadly there's no sub £10k ones in nice shape over here or diesels, but they are amazing.

Some years back a P38 saved my life in a vicious roll over wreck. It was Monza red with Black leather with red piping... A 4.6HSE in mint condition. Idiot in a snowstorm was flying along, hit me in the rear quarter and sent her sideways, by the time I recovered it was too late, I flipped it but I also walked away without a scratch. Damn I miss that thing!

DonkeyApple

54,923 posts

168 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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Pistonwot said:
Stu R said:
Pistonwot said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
vile car, well giant shed on wheels
+1

Spot on assessment, no idea what its doing on PH either, not very PH at all or Ive got the wrong idea about PH.
Thought it was about inspired cars for motoring enthusiasts?????
Clearly you find it difficult to comprehend that there's a ton of people on PH who like different things, so you probably do have the wrong idea, yes.
If you want a website which caters solely to the things you like, nobody's stopping you from finding one elsewhere or creating one yourself.
Not at all,,,, but it seems the other ilk is very confused.
WHY should PH dilute its focus to suit vapid numptys and fashionistas by including very un-PistonHeads material?
By way of example when will the latest Massey Ferguson or Claas be featured on PistonHeads I query?
In fact the only thing I find difficult to comprehend is,,,,,, why is it on here at all?
Another way to view your infantile last point.
There are other websites and magazines called Agricultural Weekly and Farmers Monthly, Country Life, Caravanning, The Dull Days Ahead, Retirement Review, etc,
These are better suited to Agricultural tools and things for Farmers.
Whats the problem with boring people on DEDICATED sites with Range Rover admiration tales?
At least they would be interested and, it is what the sites were intended for after all.
I suspect that it is you who are on the wrong website rather than this car.

RRG

126 posts

246 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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Crikey - who would have thought that a bit of worship of an automotive icon could be so difficult to understand for a small slice of the PH readership?

What I think the naysayers are forgetting is that a RR makes a fantastic PAIRING with your stable of driving focused machinery. Personally I find my C-type a bit truculent on shopping expeditions and the 993RS lacks space for trips to the dump. Equally, if I want to do the Corsican Rally or make a trip to the Nordschleife, I wont take the Range (although it makes a fabulous tow car for the Jag - if you want to know the true meaning of unreliability try a 1950s sports/racing car!!)

The funny thing is, true driving enthusiasts that we all are, the Range is also a fascinating, engaging and surprisingly satisfying driving experience in its own right (do some proper off roading in one and you will immediately see what I mean), as well as being probably the most useful, comfortable and complete car ever made. This is why driving enthusiasts can be fond of a 4x4 truck.

I have to agree with Don1 - if I was forced to keep only one car, it would have to be the RR. Amazing, but true.

Finally, re: Chris "Ham Fisted" Monkey and his two gearboxes in 9 miles, I think he needs to come clean... Chris you do realise you are supposed to take it out of Low Range before you get on the Motorway?? ;-)

rtz62

3,340 posts

154 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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Hmmmn
I can see both sides of the 'for or against' arguement;
without doubt one of the, if not the best offroad vehicle,
but unreliable - my neighbour has a supercharged one with every option.
The EML has been on since he bought it, took 1 LR and 2 specialist garages to fix it (yep, LR couldn't work out what was wrong), and had all new lambda sensors, plugs, ecu.
Then the big screen that works the nav and climate etc packed up, visits to 1x LR and 2x specialists eventually fixed it - water ingress into the boot had screwed up the magic box of tricks situated there.
£100's and £100's and £100's later it was fixed. Except no it wasnt.
And I cant believe its isolated, as I had the same problems with mine.
Great car, but LR Tata really ought to look up the word 'reliability', work out how to apply it, and then make a good car brilliant.

MadKipper

74 posts

249 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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The Range Rover is the best single car solution and it's British (albeit funded from a far), has a lot of the super impressive Land Rover DNA and a world of charms on top. Armed with a fast and refined diesel engine, it makes a great case for itself. Reliability is shocking with some versions, but I believe the last of the current shape is mostly fault-free (I'm a believer!).

The point the RR critic misses is this car, like many other great cars, trigger positive feelings. This is what PistonHeads is all about: positive feelings about motor vehicles. Perhaps he will include negative feelings too, and that's okay, we all like to moan a bit, but he over stepped the mark when suggesting a car should not be included from the PH mindset. The reason PH people moan is because they care about driving - so excluding any machinery deserved the corrections he received smile

It's always better for a PH contributer to question the suitability/correctness of an issue than to state his/her negativity as fact. That way, they can be corrected more politely with streams of positivity and automobile love smile)

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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Love the RR. Brilliant car. Had one years ago and sorely tempted to go that route again.

SGirl

7,918 posts

260 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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Dave Hedgehog and Pistonwot, tell us what wonders of modern machinery you drive that place you in a position to diss other people's choice of car. Have you even driven RRs yourselves?

PH is for people who love cars, no matter what cars they are. I'm sure a lot of people on here drive dull hatchbacks, cars covered in Halfords finest accessories, G-Wizzes and all sorts of cars that I personally wouldn't buy in a million years, but there's no point in banning all talk of such cars just because some people don't like them. Live and let live.

rtz62 said:
Hmmmn
I can see both sides of the 'for or against' arguement;
without doubt one of the, if not the best offroad vehicle,
but unreliable - my neighbour has a supercharged one with every option.
By contrast, I also have a "supercharged one with every option", it's just short of 7 years old now. I've only had it a few months, but so far it's been very reliable. It's been back for a bit of warranty work - a sump gasket was leaking a bit, so I got it switched since it was under warranty. I had a couple of other minor bits done as well, but nothing I would've made the effort to do if it hadn't been going in anyway.

When I bought it, I was surprised that everything works on it - I don't buy new cars because I prefer to let someone else take the depreciation hit first! But I've never before encountered a used car of any age where absolutely everything works the way it should. There's always something that doesn't work - a blown interior bulb somewhere, or a loose wire or something. But not on my RR - everything works. I decided to make a list of things that needed doing when it went in for the gasket to be replaced, and I couldn't find anything!

Oddly enough, I've heard this "they're all unreliable" about TVRs as well. Apart from a clutch in our Cerbera, neither the Griff nor the Cerb ever gave me any trouble. (And no, the roof of the Griff didn't leak.) In the case of TVR, the vast majority of people complaining about TVR reliability weren't people who'd ever owned one, or even driven one. I don't know yet whether the same is true of RR, but it wouldn't really surprise me if it were.

People with reliable cars don't tend to post as much as people with unreliable cars, and that's probably where some of the rumours come from. I just don't think we should tar all cars with the same brush just because people know of a few poor examples. All manufacturers have their "Friday afternoon cars". The people with the good ones just don't generally bother to post to say how good they are.

Anyway, I like my RR. If I didn't like it, I'd get rid of it! What other people think of it doesn't matter to me. I just think that calling it a "non-PH" car is ridiculous, for the various reasons outlined by other posters above as much as anything else.

jdw1234

6,021 posts

214 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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It would be interesting to compare the reliability of Range Rovers used as primary vehicles compared to ones that are "car number 3" and hardly ever used.


Schermerhorn

4,342 posts

188 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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If only they weren't so unreliable.....they would be the best car in the world and possibly the most complete car...ever.

J4CKO

41,284 posts

199 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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Very pleasant way to travel, can see the appeal and if you are going for that ilk of car, a Range Rover has to be the way to go but I can never see myself driving one, or any other large SUV.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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DonkeyApple said:
Pistonwot said:
Stu R said:
Pistonwot said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
vile car, well giant shed on wheels
+1

Spot on assessment, no idea what its doing on PH either, not very PH at all or Ive got the wrong idea about PH.
Thought it was about inspired cars for motoring enthusiasts?????
Clearly you find it difficult to comprehend that there's a ton of people on PH who like different things, so you probably do have the wrong idea, yes.
If you want a website which caters solely to the things you like, nobody's stopping you from finding one elsewhere or creating one yourself.
Not at all,,,, but it seems the other ilk is very confused.
WHY should PH dilute its focus to suit vapid numptys and fashionistas by including very un-PistonHeads material?
By way of example when will the latest Massey Ferguson or Claas be featured on PistonHeads I query?
In fact the only thing I find difficult to comprehend is,,,,,, why is it on here at all?
Another way to view your infantile last point.
There are other websites and magazines called Agricultural Weekly and Farmers Monthly, Country Life, Caravanning, The Dull Days Ahead, Retirement Review, etc,
These are better suited to Agricultural tools and things for Farmers.
Whats the problem with boring people on DEDICATED sites with Range Rover admiration tales?
At least they would be interested and, it is what the sites were intended for after all.
I suspect that it is you who are on the wrong website rather than this car.
Seconded!

Dave Hedgehog

14,541 posts

203 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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SGirl said:
Dave Hedgehog and Pistonwot, tell us what wonders of modern machinery you drive that place you in a position to diss other people's choice of car. Have you even driven RRs yourselves?

PH is for people who love cars, no matter what cars they are. I'm sure a lot of people on here drive dull hatchbacks, cars covered in Halfords finest accessories, G-Wizzes and all sorts of cars that I personally wouldn't buy in a million years, but there's no point in banning all talk of such cars just because some people don't like them. Live and let live.

rtz62 said:
Hmmmn
I can see both sides of the 'for or against' arguement;
without doubt one of the, if not the best offroad vehicle,
but unreliable - my neighbour has a supercharged one with every option.
By contrast, I also have a "supercharged one with every option", it's just short of 7 years old now. I've only had it a few months, but so far it's been very reliable. It's been back for a bit of warranty work - a sump gasket was leaking a bit, so I got it switched since it was under warranty. I had a couple of other minor bits done as well, but nothing I would've made the effort to do if it hadn't been going in anyway.

When I bought it, I was surprised that everything works on it - I don't buy new cars because I prefer to let someone else take the depreciation hit first! But I've never before encountered a used car of any age where absolutely everything works the way it should. There's always something that doesn't work - a blown interior bulb somewhere, or a loose wire or something. But not on my RR - everything works. I decided to make a list of things that needed doing when it went in for the gasket to be replaced, and I couldn't find anything!

Oddly enough, I've heard this "they're all unreliable" about TVRs as well. Apart from a clutch in our Cerbera, neither the Griff nor the Cerb ever gave me any trouble. (And no, the roof of the Griff didn't leak.) In the case of TVR, the vast majority of people complaining about TVR reliability weren't people who'd ever owned one, or even driven one. I don't know yet whether the same is true of RR, but it wouldn't really surprise me if it were.

People with reliable cars don't tend to post as much as people with unreliable cars, and that's probably where some of the rumours come from. I just don't think we should tar all cars with the same brush just because people know of a few poor examples. All manufacturers have their "Friday afternoon cars". The people with the good ones just don't generally bother to post to say how good they are.

Anyway, I like my RR. If I didn't like it, I'd get rid of it! What other people think of it doesn't matter to me. I just think that calling it a "non-PH" car is ridiculous, for the various reasons outlined by other posters above as much as anything else.
I never said it was not suitable for PH, I mearly expressed my opinion that I think they are vile eye sours

Stupidly oversized with all the styling of my garden shed, they look even more comicalally oversized when parked next to my OHs polo

Of course ths covers X6s and Q7s which are equally rediculious

At the point I start to feel my age and start suffering from piles / arthritis and need a comfortable ride I would look at an A6/5 series etc





Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Tuesday 28th August 12:25

Trommel

18,988 posts

258 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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Dave Hedgehog said:
I never said it was not suitable for PH, I mearly expressed my opinion that I think they are vile eye sours
The L322 (in its original form at least) will go down as one of the great designs.

Dave Hedgehog said:
Stupidly oversized with all the styling of my garden shed, they look even more comicalally oversized when pared next to my OHs polo
They take up about the same space on the road as a 5 Series. How do you cope with vans, lorries and buses?

Dave Hedgehog

14,541 posts

203 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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Trommel said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
I never said it was not suitable for PH, I mearly expressed my opinion that I think they are vile eye sours
The L322 (in its original form at least) will go down as one of the great designs.

Dave Hedgehog said:
Stupidly oversized with all the styling of my garden shed, they look even more comicalally oversized when pared next to my OHs polo
They take up about the same space on the road as a 5 Series. How do you cope with vans, lorries and buses?
It's a square box, very little design involved externally IMO

The new 5 is also huge, but its not 10 foot tall so doesn't look so bad


You don't get many lorries/busses in ASDA car park