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e21Mark

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1,751 posts

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Coming home from the BMW show at Gaydon a couple of weeks ago, the front screen in my e30 M3 cracked at the bottom offside. Come Monday morning I phoned my insurer (Adrian Flux) who advised me of the £90 excess before connecting me to their preferred supplier.

The girl at the supplier took the details of my car, a 1988 M3, listened as I offered up the advice that it would probably be a special order part direct from BMW, ignored me and then said it wouldn't be possible to replace my screen till Friday morning. She also added I shouldn't drive my car as ''the wind might blow the screen in''. I then had a choice of am or pm, so chose am.


Friday am rolls around but no-one comes. At 1pm I call to find out what's happening and am told their man will be there by 2.30pm. Finally, at just after 3, I see their van pull up and go outside to meet the guy. Despite the fact that he's parked right next to the front of my car he asks where it is? I point my finger.

Mr Windscreen Fitter then goes to the back of his van and removes what is quite clearly the wrong screen. It is simply way too big and from a later BMW. When I point this out he says ''well its definitely got M3 on the sticker''. I told him it's most likely a newer model M3 and sure enough, it's an e36 screen. At this point he tells me how just last week they'd sent him to do the screen in an e36 M3 but supplied an e30 screen!

Mr Windscreen Fitter then calls his office and tells me they'll call me within the hour to reschedule but they need to order the correct screen. I said surely they can just use the one they'd incorrectly supplied to the e36 M3 owner the week before? Cue sound of cogs whirring and aroma of bullst. ''Oh they used that the next day''. Really? Are you sure? Anyway, I go inside and await a call.

Finally, just before 5, I call them and am told they're having trouble finding a screen but will call me first thing Saturday. I tell them again, to ring BMW. I do this myself and am told that the screen needs to come from Germany and will be 5 days. I then ring the company again and advise them.

Saturday comes, nothing.

Saturday at midday I call again and am told their offices have shut for the Bank Holiday weekend and they'll call me Tuesday. I tell the girl the whole story and ask her to mail her managers with my complaint. I make it clear, without being abusive, that their company has an appalling attitude to customer service.

Tuesday finally rolls around and the phone doesn't ring. No surprises there. Eventually I call and am given the stock line that the ''manager is looking into it and will call right back''. 2 hours later, nothing. In fact, I have to call 3 more times before their ''manager'' finally answers my call and says he ''would have called eventually but has been busy clearing the weekends backlog''. I remind him that my job actually stems from before the weekend. I am then told that my 1998 M3 screen is on order and will be a day or 2. I tell him I don't have a 1998 M3 and explain, yet again, exactly what my car is and what needs to be done to order the correct screen!

Finally, the penny drops and I'm given the new date for the correct screen to be fitted. Wednesday the 5th of September! So that's well over 2 weeks for an emergency screen replacement service where I'm told not to use my car. Brilliant.

I just wondered if anyone else has had to suffer similar?

Please: no naming and shaming


Edited by jeremyc on Wednesday 29th August 07:45

LeftMuffin

903 posts

90 months

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Had similar issues with Autoglass. Had to have the screen replaced on my fiesta van. They came 3 times to replace it with the incorrect screen before finally getting it right. Twice they bought the completely wrong screen and another the they came with the right screen but it wasn't a heated one and without rain and headlight sensors. This was all after telling them originally the spec.

Face for Radio

1,665 posts

36 months

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They are the preferred supplier for my insurer, so I've used them a couple of times now.

Never had a problem really, apart from the day after they changed my most recent windscreen I had an invoice drop on my doormat for about £400, plus the excess. Which I had already paid.

Didn't think anything of it, so ignored it. Week or so later I get a final demand stating I have to pay it or there will be consequences. After phoning up and finding out the accounts department isn't in on Saturdays, on Monday I finally get it cleared up and they cancel it, admitting it was a mistake.

marshall100

475 posts

70 months

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''the wind might blow the screen in''

I hate this, the business model is built upon fear and terror that a motorist might encounter while driving with a cracked screen. It simply will not happen. I've seen car's that have been hit by the bucket of a JCB, peeling the roof away from the glass, the glass is still there in one piece (we had to turn her away as there was nothing to re-bond the glass on to) it's alot stronger than people realise.

I was branch manager for autoglass for 3 years. Never again.

e21Mark

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1,751 posts

42 months

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Apologies for naming the company.

I wouldn't mind so much if they actually bothered to call and explain things, but the constant petty lies and blaming anyone but themselves is what really grates. I told them where to get the screen in order to try and help, but they simply dismissed me as if I knew nothing.
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aw51 121565

2,696 posts

102 months

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marshall100 said:
''the wind might blow the screen in''

I hate this, the business model is built upon fear and terror that a motorist might encounter while driving with a cracked screen. It simply will not happen. I've seen car's that have been hit by the bucket of a JCB, peeling the roof away from the glass, the glass is still there in one piece (we had to turn her away as there was nothing to re-bond the glass on to) it's alot stronger than people realise.

I was branch manager for autoglass for 3 years. Never again.
I seem to recall reading somewhere that a laminated windscreen will stop a brick travelling at 120mph from passing through. I've definitely seen a vid of some sort of early 21st Century Mitsubishi Evo (Evo 8?) going for Vmax on a track hitting a reasonably-sized bird with the windscreen... It made a goodly mess of the windscreen but didn't come through; it's on YouTube (or was).

They (laminated windscreens) are tough...

Glassman

17,312 posts

84 months

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e21Mark said:
my insurer (Adrian Flux)
Bring the matter to your broker's and the underwriters' attention. After all, it is them who told you to use that supplier. You can, in many circumstances, nominate your own preferred supplier.




Edited by Glassman on Wednesday 29th August 12:25

JustNeil

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The irony....


pjdow

311 posts

23 months

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I had a similar problem a few years ago with an E36. I was a rep mobile 320i.

The screen cracked so I phoned the nominated repairer.

To be fair they responded very quickly and by 10.00am the next day the old windscreen had been removed and was a nice pile of cracked glass.

The fitter then decided to get the new screen out of his van. It was at this point hat he realised that it was the wrong one.

He knocked on my front door and asked me what to do....

The most obvious answer was the one he got:- no my problem but you better get it sorted.

Predictably it then started to rain.

The fitter then knocked on the door again saying that there was nothing more he could do and was going.

I don't think so. You are leaving my car, in the rain with no windscreen get it sorted.

To cut a long story short another fitter arrived an hour or two later with a correct screen that was fitted in double quick time.

So you think that is the end of the story, No.


A week later the screen broke again, and guess what the previous weeks events were repeated. By a different fitter!

Glassman

17,312 posts

84 months

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pjdow said:
A week later the screen broke again, and guess what the previous weeks events were repeated. By a different fitter!
You're making this up.

tongue out



C.A.R.

1,273 posts

57 months

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Glassman said:
You're making this up.

tongue out
Yeah Pretty sure you can't get a windscreen replaced under the same insurance policy just because it happens again a week later, surely you then reach into your own pocket for a replacement?...

Regardless, similar thing happened recently with my dads' Insignia, not an uncommon car! But they first bought one which had the wrong tint on it? (no idea as I wasn't around) van returned a while later with one which didn't have the correct openings for the automatic headlight sensor.

But surely there's no way they would remove the screen first before making sure they definitely have the correct replacement?!

RizzoTheRat

8,068 posts

61 months

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A collegue had a right hassle with a screen replacement on his SLK. Apparently Mercedes class it as a structural component and it has to be an official Mercedes windscreen. The insurance would only deal with thier usual windscreen supplier, who fit aftermarket ones. took him ages to sort it out despite the official Mercedes fit actually being cheaper than the aftermarket!

Captain Muppet

5,943 posts

134 months

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I had a spare E30 windscreen in my garden for a couple of years, balanced it on top of a couple of stacks of tyres and used it as a table.

Doddle to DIY fit.

pjdow

311 posts

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Nope absolutely true!

The only difference the second time was that it did not rain!

Glassman said:
pjdow said:
A week later the screen broke again, and guess what the previous weeks events were repeated. By a different fitter!
You're making this up.

tongue out

pjdow

311 posts

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It was a company car, so was not involved with the payment side.

And yes you would have thought so!


C.A.R. said:
Yeah Pretty sure you can't get a windscreen replaced under the same insurance policy just because it happens again a week later, surely you then reach into your own pocket for a replacement?...

Regardless, similar thing happened recently with my dads' Insignia, not an uncommon car! But they first bought one which had the wrong tint on it? (no idea as I wasn't around) van returned a while later with one which didn't have the correct openings for the automatic headlight sensor.

But surely there's no way they would remove the screen first before making sure they definitely have the correct replacement?!

fushion julz

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Captain Muppet said:
I had a spare E30 windscreen in my garden for a couple of years, balanced it on top of a couple of stacks of tyres and used it as a table.

Doddle to DIY fit.
Not on an M3, though...it isn't the same as the standard E30 screen and it is bonded in...

RenesisEvo

1,835 posts

88 months

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RizzoTheRat said:
A collegue had a right hassle with a screen replacement on his SLK. Apparently Mercedes class it as a structural component and it has to be an official Mercedes windscreen. The insurance would only deal with thier usual windscreen supplier, who fit aftermarket ones. took him ages to sort it out despite the official Mercedes fit actually being cheaper than the aftermarket!
Windscreens are structural on most cars - they add quite a bit of stiffness to the shell. Perhaps more important for a convertible where the windscreen adds strength to a roll-over structure, but still a pathetic excuse to force you into an 'aftermarket' screen, if such a thing exists (I would have thought they all come from the same suppliers, e.g. Saint-Gobain, given the likely tooling costs, but I could be wrong).

Captain Muppet

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fushion julz said:
Captain Muppet said:
I had a spare E30 windscreen in my garden for a couple of years, balanced it on top of a couple of stacks of tyres and used it as a table.

Doddle to DIY fit.
Not on an M3, though...it isn't the same as the standard E30 screen and it is bonded in...
That'll teach me not to look at the windsceen mounting when I'm driving E30 M3s. No wonder M3 stuff is so expensive.

Watchman

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RenesisEvo said:
Windscreens are structural on most cars - they add quite a bit of stiffness to the shell.
I'm very sceptical about this. My screen is cracked - has been for a while. If I press it with my finger from inside, the crack spreads. If it was a structural component I would expect the shell to exert some forces on it and it would crack further on its own. It doesn't. It's also sitting on what looks like 1/2 inch of rubber which doesn't look terribly structural either.

aw51 121565

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Watchman said:
RenesisEvo said:
Windscreens are structural on most cars - they add quite a bit of stiffness to the shell.
I'm very sceptical about this. My screen is cracked - has been for a while. If I press it with my finger from inside, the crack spreads. If it was a structural component I would expect the shell to exert some forces on it and it would crack further on its own. It doesn't. It's also sitting on what looks like 1/2 inch of rubber which doesn't look terribly structural either.
If your screen is held in with a rubber seal and can be 'popped out' easily (if you're inclined to change windscreens at home, for example) ... you're right smile . But a bonded screen adds to the strength of the structure, especially in things like a rollover where it reinforces the windscreen aperture significantly and helps maintain 'survival space' in the car. A bonded screen would also have its crack(s) develop over time, especially on things like bumpy roads and in hard cornering - if yours isn't doing this then I guess it is held in with a rubber and not bonded in? A classic Mini would be a good example of a windscreen held in by its rubber and not bonded, as would a Peugeot 205 or 309 and any number of cars from the early '80s and earlier smile .
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