RE: Modified cars safe, for now.
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Proceed with caution, the “prophet of doom “is about to make an observation concerning the direction this thread is going: - It would appear that if you can’t beat it and you can’t join it then your only alternative is to ridicule it out of existence by introducing all the nasties that you can dream up, most people are sick to death of all the subjects mentioned and could just choose to ignore this site in future. Maybe that is your aim, what are you motives my good man?
Now can we please get back the core subject: - Automobiles, EU Reg’s and the new MOT testing.
Now can we please get back the core subject: - Automobiles, EU Reg’s and the new MOT testing.
As this thread appears on a course to duplicate the other one, I give the same answer here as there to the question that you pose there and here:-
I don't have any motive other than encouraging people to be realistic, and am, if you pay attention, arguing for the maintenance of something like the present UK system, with maybe even some possible relaxations afforded by the proposal; but I enjoy laughing at conspiracy nutters (such as the one on view above), even if it is a tad cruel to mock the afflicted.
You say that you have been forecasting doom for 23 years, so it wouldn't do for you to be wrong, would it?
As we are still some way off legislation, I think that there is little point in debating further about a draft that is unlikely to represent the finished instrument, if there is one. Others can of course debate it all they wish, but I shall wait for the next significant draft.
I don't have any motive other than encouraging people to be realistic, and am, if you pay attention, arguing for the maintenance of something like the present UK system, with maybe even some possible relaxations afforded by the proposal; but I enjoy laughing at conspiracy nutters (such as the one on view above), even if it is a tad cruel to mock the afflicted.
You say that you have been forecasting doom for 23 years, so it wouldn't do for you to be wrong, would it?
As we are still some way off legislation, I think that there is little point in debating further about a draft that is unlikely to represent the finished instrument, if there is one. Others can of course debate it all they wish, but I shall wait for the next significant draft.
I really dont care how far down the road this is, its closer than if it were not on the horizon at all. There were mutterings about this a few years back and it included tyres then! Also no matter how absurd somebody at the DfT says things are, we know from experience how absurd those crackpots in Brussels can get. 
An observation.... Siim Kallas - Vice-President of the European Commission responsible for Mobility and Transport for Europe looks like another famous german. (see here - http://twitter.com/SiimKallasEU) Rest assured we have not heard the last of this despite the comments above. I suggest everyone signs the petition at http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/37784
unless of course you all want to chance it and have decided we are all safe despite this still being at the proposal stage. It's unusual, but i think Piston heads are very wrong with this article.
unless of course you all want to chance it and have decided we are all safe despite this still being at the proposal stage. It's unusual, but i think Piston heads are very wrong with this article.
For everyone’s entertainment I would like to relate an event of personal experience relating to how the EU policy of: - “One rule fits all” can bite you in the ass!! This just affects tyres. My family operates Dragsters and recently imported one into Germany in a container with no problem at all, but the latest one came in a container together with a spare set of rear drag slicks , after the new tyre reg’s are introduced in the EU which state ( all ,repeat all ) tyres entering the EU must conform to EU tyre manufacturers specification and codes which must be marked on the tyre accordingly ,plus must be accompanied by makers documents stating such things as (speed rating etc) .
When the shipping agent handled the unloading he should have displayed big hand held sign: - Caution you are entering a danger zone “the EU “
The dragster was no problem, it does not matter what tyres it is wearing, shipping log shows cars not tyres but the slicks cannot go through unless you have the relevant manufacturer’s documents to prove they comply with EU regulations. Hell, what do we do now?
Simple, we can direct them back to the USA (at your cost obviously)
Or we can send them on to a none EU zone country close by where you will have a better chance to arrange entry into the zone ( at your cost obviously) , Please stop banging your head on my wall !!
PS I understand the ass’n of tyre importers have resolved this for time being, we shall see!!
When the shipping agent handled the unloading he should have displayed big hand held sign: - Caution you are entering a danger zone “the EU “
The dragster was no problem, it does not matter what tyres it is wearing, shipping log shows cars not tyres but the slicks cannot go through unless you have the relevant manufacturer’s documents to prove they comply with EU regulations. Hell, what do we do now?
Simple, we can direct them back to the USA (at your cost obviously)
Or we can send them on to a none EU zone country close by where you will have a better chance to arrange entry into the zone ( at your cost obviously) , Please stop banging your head on my wall !!
PS I understand the ass’n of tyre importers have resolved this for time being, we shall see!!
LuS1fer said:
Werd actually:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wer...
ahh , you missed the elisabeth david referenced alteration http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wer...
Sign the petition at http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/37784
This could quite easily go through if nobody resists it, the EU are good at ridiculous legislation as we all know. This is not bunk as has been mooted, it's not over as Piston Heads all but stated in the recent article and the government won't discuss it in any depth if the petition is not up to 100,000. Our MEP advises action, a VOSA employee i spoke to about it is suggesting the same... SO - Sign, what have you got to lose other than 2 minutes? 8)
This could quite easily go through if nobody resists it, the EU are good at ridiculous legislation as we all know. This is not bunk as has been mooted, it's not over as Piston Heads all but stated in the recent article and the government won't discuss it in any depth if the petition is not up to 100,000. Our MEP advises action, a VOSA employee i spoke to about it is suggesting the same... SO - Sign, what have you got to lose other than 2 minutes? 8)
This from the EU:-
Reports in the press that the European Commission has proposed to make modifications to cars illegal, or to ban classic cars unless they are unchanged since manufacture are entirely wrong.
The Commission’s proposals would not, if agreed by the Member States and the European Parliament, make any difference to the current situation regarding MOT testing in the UK except to make most classic cars more than 30 years old exempt from testing if they are not used day-to-day on the roads.
All other cars would remain subject to roadworthiness testing, just as they are now. Whether or not they have been modified is not of itself relevant: what counts is whether they are safe and that is what is assessed by MOT tests in the UK and by the equivalent tests elsewhere.
What the proposals will do is require all Member States to bring their road worthiness tests up to a certain level of rigour, already applied in the UK : for example, motorbikes will need to be tested regularly everywhere, as they are already in the UK. This will make driving safer for UK drivers at home and abroad.
The Commission is writing separately to all the newspapers concerned, none of which checked the facts with us before publication.
http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/press-reports-...
Reports in the press that the European Commission has proposed to make modifications to cars illegal, or to ban classic cars unless they are unchanged since manufacture are entirely wrong.
The Commission’s proposals would not, if agreed by the Member States and the European Parliament, make any difference to the current situation regarding MOT testing in the UK except to make most classic cars more than 30 years old exempt from testing if they are not used day-to-day on the roads.
All other cars would remain subject to roadworthiness testing, just as they are now. Whether or not they have been modified is not of itself relevant: what counts is whether they are safe and that is what is assessed by MOT tests in the UK and by the equivalent tests elsewhere.
What the proposals will do is require all Member States to bring their road worthiness tests up to a certain level of rigour, already applied in the UK : for example, motorbikes will need to be tested regularly everywhere, as they are already in the UK. This will make driving safer for UK drivers at home and abroad.
The Commission is writing separately to all the newspapers concerned, none of which checked the facts with us before publication.
http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/press-reports-...
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