RE: Modified cars safe, for now.
Discussion
Boom! Thank f
k for that. Tin foil hats can go back in the cupboard for the time being.
It's not practical to ban all modified cars, as there would be very few cars left (if we assume 'safety mods' includes non-standard tyres). But there were a number of doom sayers on the other thread who were up in arms about this. I think it's rather telling that the fella burst out laughing - that's pretty much my response.
k for that. Tin foil hats can go back in the cupboard for the time being.It's not practical to ban all modified cars, as there would be very few cars left (if we assume 'safety mods' includes non-standard tyres). But there were a number of doom sayers on the other thread who were up in arms about this. I think it's rather telling that the fella burst out laughing - that's pretty much my response.
Numeric said:
I do seem to remember when buying tyres in Germany I had to get the tyres that the car was TUV approved on - so if the company had only registered one tyre that was your lot.
But I could never quite square that with all the aftermarket wheels etc that were available so I may have got it all wrong.
You can email any tyre manufacturer and they will sort the paperwork to use other tyres and send it to you for free, they are happy to for extra business ect But I could never quite square that with all the aftermarket wheels etc that were available so I may have got it all wrong.
I was very sceptical, but was shot at by the boomy voiced Doomsayers in the other thread for daring to ruin their enjoyment of their ranty I hate Johnny Foreigner nightmare.
The Parliament has little power, and does not set the legislative agenda, but the UK has some voice in the decision making processes in Brussels. Also, most legislation that affects how we live is still UK based rather than Brussels based.
Fast Eddie said:
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The fact of the matter is that in the UK we generally don't want to participate in what happens in Brussels/Europe (ps: we are 'in' Europe)until we think it might have an adverse effect on our established way of doing things.
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In fact, the UK is actively represented on relevant EU panels. The fact of the matter is that in the UK we generally don't want to participate in what happens in Brussels/Europe (ps: we are 'in' Europe)until we think it might have an adverse effect on our established way of doing things.
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The Parliament has little power, and does not set the legislative agenda, but the UK has some voice in the decision making processes in Brussels. Also, most legislation that affects how we live is still UK based rather than Brussels based.
Although I'm not particularly worried about the new Roadworthiness Test, the DfT have got it very wrong here.
It is NOT a proposal, it's already been through the Consultation Period [using a rather underhand method of combining lots of little proposals together that have already been through consulation to make the new Legislation], so only needs to be read by the Euro Government and Euro Courts to be implimented.
It is NOT a proposal, it's already been through the Consultation Period [using a rather underhand method of combining lots of little proposals together that have already been through consulation to make the new Legislation], so only needs to be read by the Euro Government and Euro Courts to be implimented.
Surely all this means is there's still time to block it? It hasn't been filed away or binned, it's what it says. In the proposal stages. I think the aftermarket industry and owners still need to make their voices heard in order to ensure this proposal is binned for good, not slipped in somewhere within the next few years. Posted above makes a good point about motorbikes.
That is incorrect (and, by the way, the Euro Court does not ratify legislation), but Shakotan's posts are good examples of the Sky is Falling panic: some people just want to be miserable, it seems. This explains why rags like the Mail sell so many copies: people just love to be frightened and gloomy.
MarJay said:
Its already happening for bikes and the vote on the final legislation keeps being postponed, but I think it is currently due at the end of September.
Once bikes have been ruined, cars will be the next thing in the crosshairs without a doubt.
What exactly is in store for bike owners, and how set in stone is it? Could be an indication of what is to come for us 4 wheeled tinkerers.Once bikes have been ruined, cars will be the next thing in the crosshairs without a doubt.
Breadvan - you're right about legislation and UK autonomy.
Most people are concerned that what they thought we were getting when Ted Heath signed the Treaty of Rome back in about 1970 something is not what we have now, and not what we might have in the future. Fear of the unknown perhaps? Do any of our mainland European neighbours want to be less French or German or whatever? Of course they don't and we don't want to be less British (unless you're Scottish of course).
For part of my life I work with a Trade Association that is part of a European Federation that seeks to lobby and influence Brussels about legislation that affects our own industry. It's a jungle out there but Europe is one of the ways forward.
btw I drive a German car that has been modified by way of an aftermarket exhaust and I would fight to the death to retain my right to any (safe) modification.
Actually I wouldn't fight to the death for an exhaust but you get my drift.
Most people are concerned that what they thought we were getting when Ted Heath signed the Treaty of Rome back in about 1970 something is not what we have now, and not what we might have in the future. Fear of the unknown perhaps? Do any of our mainland European neighbours want to be less French or German or whatever? Of course they don't and we don't want to be less British (unless you're Scottish of course).
For part of my life I work with a Trade Association that is part of a European Federation that seeks to lobby and influence Brussels about legislation that affects our own industry. It's a jungle out there but Europe is one of the ways forward.
btw I drive a German car that has been modified by way of an aftermarket exhaust and I would fight to the death to retain my right to any (safe) modification.
Actually I wouldn't fight to the death for an exhaust but you get my drift.
Gaz, there is a proposal to revise the extant EU wide rules on roadworthiness tests.
Some are concerned that the proposal would limit modifications to cars. The extent to which this is so is debatable.
There is also a widely misunderstood proposal to render vehicles more than 30 years old free of testing, but only if they are in original condition. Some think that this means that other old cars will be unusable, but the proposal does not say that.
The proposal has been widely misreported by car clubs who do not appear to have read or understood it.
There is no need to panic.
Some are concerned that the proposal would limit modifications to cars. The extent to which this is so is debatable.
There is also a widely misunderstood proposal to render vehicles more than 30 years old free of testing, but only if they are in original condition. Some think that this means that other old cars will be unusable, but the proposal does not say that.
The proposal has been widely misreported by car clubs who do not appear to have read or understood it.
There is no need to panic.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 29th August 13:58
""I do seem to remember when buying tyres in Germany I had to get the tyres that the car was TUV approved on - so if the company had only registered one tyre that was your lot".
Not quite correct.
You can modify cars here including fitting larger wheels and tyres. The tyre sizes appropriate for your car are specified by the manufacturer on the vehicles documents (including winter wheel/tyre sizes). Larger wheel/tyre combinations can be fitted but you must then take the vehicle to a test centre to get them approved as safe for that vehicle. If approval is granted you are given a document detailing the mods to carry with you and those details can be added to your vehicle document when it is convenient. This applies to all items that are part of the vehicle HU/AU test, the equivelent of the UK's MOT.
Personally I think this is a good system as mods are checked by an engineer and unsafe mods must be removed.
Not quite correct.
You can modify cars here including fitting larger wheels and tyres. The tyre sizes appropriate for your car are specified by the manufacturer on the vehicles documents (including winter wheel/tyre sizes). Larger wheel/tyre combinations can be fitted but you must then take the vehicle to a test centre to get them approved as safe for that vehicle. If approval is granted you are given a document detailing the mods to carry with you and those details can be added to your vehicle document when it is convenient. This applies to all items that are part of the vehicle HU/AU test, the equivelent of the UK's MOT.
Personally I think this is a good system as mods are checked by an engineer and unsafe mods must be removed.
Breadvan72 said:
Gaz, there is a proposal to revise the extant EU wide rules on roadworthiness tests.
Some are concerned that the proposal would limit modifications to cars. The extent to which this is so is debatable.
There is also a widely misunderstood proposal to render vehicles more than 30 years old free of testing, but only if they are in original condition. Some think that this means that other old cars will be unusable, but the proposal does not say that.
The proposal has been widely misreported by car clubs who do not appear to have read or understood it.
There is no need to panic.
Yeah, no need to panic, the whole thing has gone away...Some are concerned that the proposal would limit modifications to cars. The extent to which this is so is debatable.
There is also a widely misunderstood proposal to render vehicles more than 30 years old free of testing, but only if they are in original condition. Some think that this means that other old cars will be unusable, but the proposal does not say that.
The proposal has been widely misreported by car clubs who do not appear to have read or understood it.
There is no need to panic.
Edited by Breadvan72 on Wednesday 29th August 13:58
There never was a proposal to define what a Historic vehicle was in such a way that you could not modify one and then register it for the road.
But then, lets look at the process...
I own a vauxhall Cresta PA whcih is modified by having the bulkhead cut out to fit a Chevy Small Block and a flip front (For instance)
A historic vehicle is defined, and as such it is outside the requirements for the MOT test, however, if my vehicle doesn't fit the definition I can't keep it's identity and lose it's registration. (This is the INF26 8-Points system)
Having failed to retain 8 points I now go to DVLA for an inspection (This is the VIC)
As a result of this I have to go for a 'Compliance test' (This is BIVA)
As the vehicle is fitted with BS marked glass not ECE marked glass, it cannot pass the BIVA test.
Therefore it is off the road unless I can afford to have the glass made up.
Of course the 'Guy on the phone' at Dft 'fell about laughing', the EU is not looking to DIRECTLY BAN modified vehicles, but the harder it becomes to register one legally, the less people will do it.
But them, we don't really NEED to worry at all, the politicians will look after use, won't they....
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