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mikethebike1960
1 posts
9 months
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So let me get this right, we're believing what politicians tell us now?
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toon10
781 posts
26 months
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Phew, I'm going to put the furry dice back on the mirror.
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mrmr96
11,923 posts
73 months
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Boom! Thank f  k for that. Tin foil hats can go back in the cupboard for the time being. It's not practical to ban all modified cars, as there would be very few cars left (if we assume 'safety mods' includes non-standard tyres). But there were a number of doom sayers on the other thread who were up in arms about this. I think it's rather telling that the fella burst out laughing - that's pretty much my response.
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German
147 posts
16 months
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Numeric said: I do seem to remember when buying tyres in Germany I had to get the tyres that the car was TUV approved on - so if the company had only registered one tyre that was your lot.
But I could never quite square that with all the aftermarket wheels etc that were available so I may have got it all wrong. You can email any tyre manufacturer and they will sort the paperwork to use other tyres and send it to you for free, they are happy to for extra business ect 
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V12 Migaloo
359 posts
15 months
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mgb40v8 said: Thank f**k for that, I can spark up a big fat one and relax LOL, thats the best retort I've read all day...
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MarJay
1,716 posts
44 months
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Its already happening for bikes and the vote on the final legislation keeps being postponed, but I think it is currently due at the end of September.
Once bikes have been ruined, cars will be the next thing in the crosshairs without a doubt.
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trickywoo
3,408 posts
99 months
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Fast Eddie said: Who knows the name of their local MEP? Fritz Von Strudell
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Contigo
1,799 posts
78 months
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It will never come into place, who ever thought it would?
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Breadvan72
10,193 posts
32 months
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I was very sceptical, but was shot at by the boomy voiced Doomsayers in the other thread for daring to ruin their enjoyment of their ranty I hate Johnny Foreigner nightmare. Fast Eddie said: ...
The fact of the matter is that in the UK we generally don't want to participate in what happens in Brussels/Europe (ps: we are 'in' Europe)until we think it might have an adverse effect on our established way of doing things.
... In fact, the UK is actively represented on relevant EU panels. The Parliament has little power, and does not set the legislative agenda, but the UK has some voice in the decision making processes in Brussels. Also, most legislation that affects how we live is still UK based rather than Brussels based.
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shakotan
5,664 posts
65 months
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Although I'm not particularly worried about the new Roadworthiness Test, the DfT have got it very wrong here.
It is NOT a proposal, it's already been through the Consultation Period [using a rather underhand method of combining lots of little proposals together that have already been through consulation to make the new Legislation], so only needs to be read by the Euro Government and Euro Courts to be implimented.
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Art0ir
3,534 posts
39 months
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Surely all this means is there's still time to block it? It hasn't been filed away or binned, it's what it says. In the proposal stages. I think the aftermarket industry and owners still need to make their voices heard in order to ensure this proposal is binned for good, not slipped in somewhere within the next few years. Posted above makes a good point about motorbikes.
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shakotan
5,664 posts
65 months
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Consultation period has been and gone, THAT was the time to block it/propose changes.
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Breadvan72
10,193 posts
32 months
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That is incorrect (and, by the way, the Euro Court does not ratify legislation), but Shakotan's posts are good examples of the Sky is Falling panic: some people just want to be miserable, it seems. This explains why rags like the Mail sell so many copies: people just love to be frightened and gloomy.
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Breadvan72
10,193 posts
32 months
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PS: The DfT announcement was made by civil servants, not politicians, and by people who are actually involved with the EU processes. I had a cup of tea with one of them, by coincidence, between meetings this morning. I doubt that Shakotan is so involved, but he can tell us if he is
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Gaz.
47,128 posts
120 months
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Sorry, without reading a 23 page PDF could someone sum up this EU proposal please?
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The Dirty Bubble
713 posts
73 months
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MarJay said: Its already happening for bikes and the vote on the final legislation keeps being postponed, but I think it is currently due at the end of September.
Once bikes have been ruined, cars will be the next thing in the crosshairs without a doubt. What exactly is in store for bike owners, and how set in stone is it? Could be an indication of what is to come for us 4 wheeled tinkerers.
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Fast Eddie
66 posts
114 months
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Breadvan - you're right about legislation and UK autonomy.
Most people are concerned that what they thought we were getting when Ted Heath signed the Treaty of Rome back in about 1970 something is not what we have now, and not what we might have in the future. Fear of the unknown perhaps? Do any of our mainland European neighbours want to be less French or German or whatever? Of course they don't and we don't want to be less British (unless you're Scottish of course).
For part of my life I work with a Trade Association that is part of a European Federation that seeks to lobby and influence Brussels about legislation that affects our own industry. It's a jungle out there but Europe is one of the ways forward.
btw I drive a German car that has been modified by way of an aftermarket exhaust and I would fight to the death to retain my right to any (safe) modification.
Actually I wouldn't fight to the death for an exhaust but you get my drift.
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Breadvan72
10,193 posts
32 months
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Gaz, there is a proposal to revise the extant EU wide rules on roadworthiness tests.
Some are concerned that the proposal would limit modifications to cars. The extent to which this is so is debatable.
There is also a widely misunderstood proposal to render vehicles more than 30 years old free of testing, but only if they are in original condition. Some think that this means that other old cars will be unusable, but the proposal does not say that.
The proposal has been widely misreported by car clubs who do not appear to have read or understood it.
There is no need to panic.
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Breadvan72
10,193 posts
32 months
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shakotan said: .... the Euro Government ... Have we got one of those? When did that happen? Er... we haven't. Oh well, never let accuracy get in the way of a good scare!
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Princeof wheels
6 posts
26 months
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""I do seem to remember when buying tyres in Germany I had to get the tyres that the car was TUV approved on - so if the company had only registered one tyre that was your lot".
Not quite correct.
You can modify cars here including fitting larger wheels and tyres. The tyre sizes appropriate for your car are specified by the manufacturer on the vehicles documents (including winter wheel/tyre sizes). Larger wheel/tyre combinations can be fitted but you must then take the vehicle to a test centre to get them approved as safe for that vehicle. If approval is granted you are given a document detailing the mods to carry with you and those details can be added to your vehicle document when it is convenient. This applies to all items that are part of the vehicle HU/AU test, the equivelent of the UK's MOT.
Personally I think this is a good system as mods are checked by an engineer and unsafe mods must be removed.
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