RE: Modified cars safe, for now.

RE: Modified cars safe, for now.

Wednesday 29th August 2012

Modified cars safe, for now.

Armageddon: postponed due to EU bureaucracy



That'll teach us to big up a government press office - it's taken until today to find someone at the Department for Transport willing to give us any comment. But the good news is you can put down the pitchforks immediately - the EU isn't having its wicked way with your modified car anytime soon.

You can read full statement below - and it won't take up much of your time because it isn't very long. But there's an excellent reason for that, too.

The EU document that's causing all the fuss is, in point of fact, nothing more than what it says it is: a proposal. This means it isn't even draft legislation yet. So what's actually happening at European level in September is merely the opening of the negotiation stage, where all the member states get to chime in and have their say. This is unlikely to be a swift and easy process...

With everything still firmly up for negotiation, the DfT says it is unwilling to get into the specifics at this moment. But it is working with the UK automotive industry - something we can confirm thanks to our colleague Darren Moss at CAT Magazine, who has already been speaking to people in the aftermarket trade - in effort to better understand the impact of what the EU may or may not be proposing to make law.

Darren also points out that many aftermarket vehicle parts are the same OEM bits as those used on the vehicle at the time it was type approved, so there's no issue there. Many others are OES, so even if they're not branded with the original vehicle manufacturers logo, they're the same parts, from the same factory and are of identical quality.

Best of all, the DfT is adamant it will be "pushing back" against anything that has a cost implication for the government, the industry and - vitally - car owners as well. The press office was also keen to explain that EU legislation always takes a long time to go through. If there is a threat, it is very far from being an imminent one.

Perhaps most reassuringly, the bloke on the phone this morning literally burst out laughing when we explained some well-meaning folk fear the EU is attempting to outlaw modified cars entirely. Not a suggestion that this is a laughing matter, but a reflection of how absurd the idea is from any rational perspective.

On the other hand, if you want to make your own views heard, you could always track down Siim Kallas on Twitter, EU Vice President and commissioner for transport. Not that we could possibly condone that kind of thing.


Department for Transport statement:
"This document [the tendered EU Roadworthiness Package'] is a proposal rather than final legislation. As such, all Member States will have the opportunity to negotiate the final legislation and everything within the current document may be subject to change.

The Department has sought views on the proposals from the industry. We will be analysing the proposals to find out what impact they will have on businesses and motorists. We will question rigorously any provisions that imply costs for Government, people or industry and seek to minimise these. We will be taking an active part in the Working Group meetings starting this autumn.

It is still far too early to comment on specifics of the legislation as a number of the proposals could be changed or dropped."

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djdestiny

Original Poster:

6,542 posts

178 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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No surprises there then.

TheDoggingFather

17,101 posts

206 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Surprise, surprise. Much Ado About Nothing

BuzzLightyear

1,426 posts

182 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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What? Some common sense being applied to EU legislative processes? Surely some mistake...

smile

Numeric

1,397 posts

151 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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I do seem to remember when buying tyres in Germany I had to get the tyres that the car was TUV approved on - so if the company had only registered one tyre that was your lot.

But I could never quite square that with all the aftermarket wheels etc that were available so I may have got it all wrong.

Ved

3,825 posts

175 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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With the amount of people employed in the industry they're looking at I'd certainly hope they'd tell the EU to go do one anyway.

mgb40v8

4 posts

174 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Thank f**k for that, I can spark up a big fat one and relax

garypotter

1,503 posts

150 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Best of all, the DfT is adamant it will be "pushing back" against anything that has a cost implication for the government, the industry and - vitally - car owners as well.


For car owners - That'll be a first!!!

trashbat

6,006 posts

153 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Who knew?

TheDoggingFather

17,101 posts

206 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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garypotter said:
Best of all, the DfT is adamant it will be "pushing back" against anything that has a cost implication for the government, the industry and - vitally - car owners as well.


For car owners - That'll be a first!!!
Pushing back? Does that make them ghey?

Rockatansky

1,700 posts

187 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Breadvan will finally get some peace and get back to work biggrin

Zircon

305 posts

181 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Lets all celebrate by installing flamer kits to our pride and joy smile

LuS1fer

41,135 posts

245 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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I'm not surprised. We had all this flap when a simllar proposal was made about limiting the importing of grey imports from outside the EU which inadvertently scooped up American imports.

We were all told to write to our MPs and I did and got a very laid back letter from the MP fighting our corner who said they could veto it and it wouldn't happen. Not heard anthing about it since.

Dave Hedgehog

14,565 posts

204 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Zircon said:
Lets all celebrate by installing flamer kits to our pride and joy smile
i want an anti lag system smile

E500 TAT

317 posts

199 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Just posted this on a few mates facebook pages along with a big fat . . .


. . . .Told you so!!!

OlberJ

14,101 posts

233 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Dave Hedgehog said:
i want an anti lag system smile
Go to desktop.

Remove PH link.

Et voila.

LewisR

678 posts

215 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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V12 Morris Minor on cross-plys here we come!!

georgetuk

205 posts

218 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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It'll never happen, too many companies exist to sort this market which would disappear rapidly if there was even so much as a hint of illegality about their work.

Should imagine the compromise will be some kind of accreditation for tuning shops and part manufacturers, and a natty little badge and number...the EU love that stuff!

Fast Eddie

416 posts

245 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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The fact of the matter is that in the UK we generally don't want to participate in what happens in Brussels/Europe (ps: we are 'in' Europe)until we think it might have an adverse effect on our established way of doing things.
Our MEP's need to lobby more effectively at the proposal stages of these draft bills and subsequent amendments in order that our views are clearly heard. It is way too late when a bill is about to pass into law. Our MEP's will lobby on what we ask them to lobby on, so we need to be more vocal as an electorate.
Who knows the name of their local MEP?
The major motor manufacturers will be ambivalent about this kind of proposal because...
a)it suits them to offer the consumer all the mods they will ever want and call them factory extras (at unaffordable prices)so bypassing this kind of legislation but...
b)it also suits them to have a strong second hand market for their brand. Look at the average age of the buyer of a new Corsa/Clio 10 years ago and look at the average age of who owns them now and how they have been modified.
Legislators generally do exactly what it says in their job description ie legislate. They don't get up in the morning wondering about what laws they needn't pass today.

k-ink

9,070 posts

179 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Well let's hope this all becomes a non issue.

However as a prospective used car purchasor I will not be buying anything modified until this matter is finally set in stone. If you are a seller I suspect now might be an ideal time to sell anything highly modified - just in case. It could still go either way and I plan on not being caught out.

A Scotsman

1,000 posts

199 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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I urge caution. The UK Govt said exactly the same about the proposed EU legislation on N Sea oil and gas safety. They'll resist the EU trying to hijack N Sea regulatory regime they said... Then they said they'll negotiate to get the best deal for the UK. Now it looks as if a bunch of EU greenies have dominated the commissariat overseeing the writing of the proposed legislation and they're now pushing hard to control all oil/gas regs from Brussels..

Frankly I wouldn't trust the DFT to do anything other than keep their bureaucratic pals in Brussels happy.