Passenger rear wheel rubbing
Discussion
h, as the bars seize straight into the arms, but without that it can't be too bad, can it?
The car is an 02 and on 57k.
When I was pushing and pulling on the rear beam the car was moving around on the axel stands. I think any more pressure would result in it falling.
I need to try and DIY this along with spending as little as possible so just replacing parts without knowing is too risky.
Any other ideas?
When I was pushing and pulling on the rear beam the car was moving around on the axel stands. I think any more pressure would result in it falling.
I need to try and DIY this along with spending as little as possible so just replacing parts without knowing is too risky.
Any other ideas?
No idea if its a similar suspension geometry, but I had a Citroen ZX (same suspension as the higher spec 306's) which started rubbing the arches on corners or when I had some weight in the back. Turned out to be the radius arm bearings. Local Citroen specialists said the cheapest way to fix it would be to replace the whole rear subframe with a second hand one, but the labour cost would be silly. at 196,000 miles I figured scrapping the car would be a better bet.
Could well be rear wheel bearing. Mine did this very slightly and made a whirring noise. Not obvious until lifted the suspect corner with the wheel still on and there was slight play. Bearings are pressed into the discs so new discs with bearings pressed in are the easiest solution. Big 30mm nut holding them on in the middle which I undid by taking the middle cap off the alloy and loosening with the car on the ground with its weight on the back wheels on using a breaker bar. They're tight.
Easy to change otherwise but get ones with ABS rings or you'll be making friends with a chisel and a torch to swap the old ones over.
Easy to change otherwise but get ones with ABS rings or you'll be making friends with a chisel and a torch to swap the old ones over.
I haven't had it from new, been mine for over four months now and this definitely has only began making noises within the last 4 weeks.
As far as I am aware there have been no knocks or bangs to this car. Underneath certainly looks perfect.
My gut said it would be a wheel bearing but i really cant feel any play in it. I can't throw money at it. I think I will have to see if it gets worse over the next few weeks.
Obviously I will keep a very close eye on it for safety reasons.
Any other suggestions that I can do to check things?
As far as I am aware there have been no knocks or bangs to this car. Underneath certainly looks perfect.
My gut said it would be a wheel bearing but i really cant feel any play in it. I can't throw money at it. I think I will have to see if it gets worse over the next few weeks.
Obviously I will keep a very close eye on it for safety reasons.
Any other suggestions that I can do to check things?
Its possible that you have had the rear discs replaced and the deflector spacer behind the disc hasnt been refitted. Or the hub nut has been overtightened which has damaged the spacer/and or bearing, I'd check this before checking the trailing arm bushes as these rarely go where there is enough play to cause this problem. There is a stict tigtening torque rating for the rear hub nut, which I think is 175NM from memory.
davebem said:
Its possible that you have had the rear discs replaced and the deflector spacer behind the disc hasnt been refitted. Or the hub nut has been overtightened which has damaged the spacer/and or bearing, I'd check this before checking the trailing arm bushes as these rarely go where there is enough play to cause this problem. There is a stict tigtening torque rating for the rear hub nut, which I think is 175NM from memory.
The rear discs have been replaced yes. Not during my ownership though so that is definitely something I will check.
Thank you!
Just a thought, but are sure you have got the correct size wheel & tyre on there? A tyre with a profile that's to high may well catch on your arch liner.
You've been given some good advice so far, but if I was in your position I'd be taking the car to a local garage and asking them to have a look - most decent indie places will put your car up on their ramps and give it a check (once you've described the symptoms) FOC. You can then only replace the parts necessary, thus saving your hard earned cash.
As others have said, to find dodgy suspension bushes you really need to get under the car with a pry bar and have a good poke around... sadly this is not a good idea when you've only got your car supported on axle stands.
You've been given some good advice so far, but if I was in your position I'd be taking the car to a local garage and asking them to have a look - most decent indie places will put your car up on their ramps and give it a check (once you've described the symptoms) FOC. You can then only replace the parts necessary, thus saving your hard earned cash.
As others have said, to find dodgy suspension bushes you really need to get under the car with a pry bar and have a good poke around... sadly this is not a good idea when you've only got your car supported on axle stands.
Faust66 said:
Just a thought, but are sure you have got the correct size wheel & tyre on there? A tyre with a profile that's to high may well catch on your arch liner.
You've been given some good advice so far, but if I was in your position I'd be taking the car to a local garage and asking them to have a look - most decent indie places will put your car up on their ramps and give it a check (once you've described the symptoms) FOC. You can then only replace the parts necessary, thus saving your hard earned cash.
As others have said, to find dodgy suspension bushes you really need to get under the car with a pry bar and have a good poke around... sadly this is not a good idea when you've only got your car supported on axle stands.
Thank you. You've been given some good advice so far, but if I was in your position I'd be taking the car to a local garage and asking them to have a look - most decent indie places will put your car up on their ramps and give it a check (once you've described the symptoms) FOC. You can then only replace the parts necessary, thus saving your hard earned cash.
As others have said, to find dodgy suspension bushes you really need to get under the car with a pry bar and have a good poke around... sadly this is not a good idea when you've only got your car supported on axle stands.
I will do as suggested and get it to a garage.
Should I take it to and indie or will a specialist be advantageous?
Will probably DIY the work though.
Wheels and tires are standard sizes.
Cheers
Faust66 said:
As others have said, to find dodgy suspension bushes you really need to get under the car with a pry bar and have a good poke around... sadly this is not a good idea when you've only got your car supported on axle stands.
On the contrary axle stands are designed so you can safely get underneath and have a poke around, as long as they are correctly located.Mr2Mike said:
Faust66 said:
As others have said, to find dodgy suspension bushes you really need to get under the car with a pry bar and have a good poke around... sadly this is not a good idea when you've only got your car supported on axle stands.
On the contrary axle stands are designed so you can safely get underneath and have a poke around, as long as they are correctly located.
) maybe his drive/road/whatever is not particularly level? The road I do all my work on has quite a pronounced camber so I really have to be careful when using stands or ramps.OP: your best bet if you don't have a trusted local garage is to ask around (maybe on your local PH forum). Are you a member of an owners club or do you frequent a specialist forum whose members could recommend a decent local garage? Whereabouts in the country are you?
You could use a main dealer, but it'll cost ya... (or so I've heard - never taken a car to a main dealer myself as all of the cars I've owned have been old and/or classics and I'm lucky enough to have 2 garages near me that I have a good relationship with).
I am in Edinburgh so I have a couple of places in mind but I am always open to suggestions???
Someone mentioned checking the spacer behind the disc and bearing, I think I will whip them off on Friday and have a look.
There is an owner over on the Cliosport site who is having the same issue looked at by Renault tomorrow so I am hoping that I have the same issue and can repair/replace based on what they have needed.
If anyone has any other suggestions then please say.
Cheers
Dave
Someone mentioned checking the spacer behind the disc and bearing, I think I will whip them off on Friday and have a look.
There is an owner over on the Cliosport site who is having the same issue looked at by Renault tomorrow so I am hoping that I have the same issue and can repair/replace based on what they have needed.
If anyone has any other suggestions then please say.
Cheers
Dave
When the car is parked up, does the nearside rear wheel have "negative camber" (ie the top is leaning in towards the car) and the other rear wheel appear to be more-or-less vertical?
If so - based on no play in the wheel bearing from your previous posts - it's yer radius arm bearing 'gone' as others have mentioned
. When it's properly 'gone' the camber is very noticeable!
You could always check with a mini (6") spirit level held top-to-bottom across the centre of the wheel (or a full-sized one across the height of the tyre vertically with the axle in the air but allowing for the bulge in the bottom of the tyre wall!) - if the bubble is in a different position relative to the car itself for each rear rear wheel, then that would indicate a problem as above.
Let us know how it goes?
If so - based on no play in the wheel bearing from your previous posts - it's yer radius arm bearing 'gone' as others have mentioned
. When it's properly 'gone' the camber is very noticeable!You could always check with a mini (6") spirit level held top-to-bottom across the centre of the wheel (or a full-sized one across the height of the tyre vertically with the axle in the air but allowing for the bulge in the bottom of the tyre wall!) - if the bubble is in a different position relative to the car itself for each rear rear wheel, then that would indicate a problem as above.
Let us know how it goes?
aw51 121565 said:
When the car is parked up, does the nearside rear wheel have "negative camber" (ie the top is leaning in towards the car) and the other rear wheel appear to be more-or-less vertical?
If so - based on no play in the wheel bearing from your previous posts - it's yer radius arm bearing 'gone' as others have mentioned . When it's properly 'gone' the camber is very noticeable!
You could always check with a mini (6") spirit level held top-to-bottom across the centre of the wheel (or a full-sized one across the height of the tyre vertically with the axle in the air but allowing for the bulge in the bottom of the tyre wall!) - if the bubble is in a different position relative to the car itself for each rear rear wheel, then that would indicate a problem as above.
Let us know how it goes?
Hello,If so - based on no play in the wheel bearing from your previous posts - it's yer radius arm bearing 'gone' as others have mentioned
. When it's properly 'gone' the camber is very noticeable!You could always check with a mini (6") spirit level held top-to-bottom across the centre of the wheel (or a full-sized one across the height of the tyre vertically with the axle in the air but allowing for the bulge in the bottom of the tyre wall!) - if the bubble is in a different position relative to the car itself for each rear rear wheel, then that would indicate a problem as above.
Let us know how it goes?
Yes when parked up there would appear to be negative camber. However is this not dependant on the surface and positioning of the parked car?
Could you please explain what a radius arm bearing is and where it is located?
Thanks you for your help.
aw51 121565 said:
When the car is parked up, does the nearside rear wheel have "negative camber" (ie the top is leaning in towards the car) and the other rear wheel appear to be more-or-less vertical?
If so - based on no play in the wheel bearing from your previous posts - it's yer radius arm bearing 'gone' as others have mentioned . When it's properly 'gone' the camber is very noticeable!
That would be quite remarkable if true - the Clio 172 does not have radius arm bearings.If so - based on no play in the wheel bearing from your previous posts - it's yer radius arm bearing 'gone' as others have mentioned
. When it's properly 'gone' the camber is very noticeable!Mr2Mike said:
aw51 121565 said:
When the car is parked up, does the nearside rear wheel have "negative camber" (ie the top is leaning in towards the car) and the other rear wheel appear to be more-or-less vertical?
If so - based on no play in the wheel bearing from your previous posts - it's yer radius arm bearing 'gone' as others have mentioned . When it's properly 'gone' the camber is very noticeable!
That would be quite remarkable if true - the Clio 172 does not have radius arm bearings.If so - based on no play in the wheel bearing from your previous posts - it's yer radius arm bearing 'gone' as others have mentioned
. When it's properly 'gone' the camber is very noticeable!
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