RE: Driven: Jaguar XJ 3.0 S/C
Discussion
E38Ross said:
You Sir, do not understand the point of a barge. Most barges would be far, far worse off with a manual. This is coming from someone who wouldn't want an auto for a "drivers car" trust me, for cars like these, autos are the way... My e38 wouldn't be anywhere near as relaxed as a manual, these cars are designed to relax.
I understand completely some people want to press a cruise button and go into a coma; but it's the same gearbox that's in the XFR. That is supposed to be a "drivers car" and even the XKR S has a six speed auto with flappy paddles and no manual option. How can it be a "drivers car" if actual act of driving the car has been taken out of the equation?
I understand the barge concept completely. My brother is in his mid-forty's and his choice of vehicle is completely different to mine and one day I may give up and get a car that does everything for me and nothing to me but for now I enjoy driving too much.
The Jaguar line up is the best it has been in living memory but because there isn't a single manual gearbox in the whole range it's a real let down.
Liquid Knight said:
I understand completely some people want to press a cruise button and go into a coma; but it's the same gearbox that's in the XFR. That is supposed to be a "drivers car" and even the XKR S has a six speed auto with flappy paddles and no manual option.
How can it be a "drivers car" if actual act of driving the car has been taken out of the equation?
I understand the barge concept completely. My brother is in his mid-forty's and his choice of vehicle is completely different to mine and one day I may give up and get a car that does everything for me and nothing to me but for now I enjoy driving too much.
The Jaguar line up is the best it has been in living memory but because there isn't a single manual gearbox in the whole range it's a real let down.
What on earth are you talking about? Having recently driven an XF across France (one of those diesel ones, too: OH THE HUMANITY), I can confirm that the "act of driving" is still there. You still drive it, you still have manual control of the gears if you wish. These cars can really, really move. But the best bit is they can also waft with the best of them when you're not in the mood.How can it be a "drivers car" if actual act of driving the car has been taken out of the equation?
I understand the barge concept completely. My brother is in his mid-forty's and his choice of vehicle is completely different to mine and one day I may give up and get a car that does everything for me and nothing to me but for now I enjoy driving too much.
The Jaguar line up is the best it has been in living memory but because there isn't a single manual gearbox in the whole range it's a real let down.
Jimbo. said:
Liquid Knight said:
I understand completely some people want to press a cruise button and go into a coma; but it's the same gearbox that's in the XFR. That is supposed to be a "drivers car" and even the XKR S has a six speed auto with flappy paddles and no manual option.
How can it be a "drivers car" if actual act of driving the car has been taken out of the equation?
I understand the barge concept completely. My brother is in his mid-forty's and his choice of vehicle is completely different to mine and one day I may give up and get a car that does everything for me and nothing to me but for now I enjoy driving too much.
The Jaguar line up is the best it has been in living memory but because there isn't a single manual gearbox in the whole range it's a real let down.
What on earth are you talking about? Having recently driven an XF across France (one of those diesel ones, too: OH THE HUMANITY), I can confirm that the "act of driving" is still there. You still drive it, you still have manual control of the gears if you wish. These cars can really, really move. But the best bit is they can also waft with the best of them when you're not in the mood.How can it be a "drivers car" if actual act of driving the car has been taken out of the equation?
I understand the barge concept completely. My brother is in his mid-forty's and his choice of vehicle is completely different to mine and one day I may give up and get a car that does everything for me and nothing to me but for now I enjoy driving too much.
The Jaguar line up is the best it has been in living memory but because there isn't a single manual gearbox in the whole range it's a real let down.
MSTRBKR said:
monthefish said:
Whoever spec'd that interior needs shot (especially on a press/demonstrator car).
It makes the interior look dowdy, which it really isn't.
I see what you're getting at Liquid - but this generation of Jag isn't all about being a through-and-through manual steer. It's about having an epic GT car that can hustle along very nicely and come alive when you want it, or just be a comfy cruise through the traffic home after a long day. The auto edges it towards the latter, but the flappy-paddle manual modes are close enough for most occasions when more involvement is needed.
Liquid Knight said:
How can it be a "drivers car" if actual act of driving the car has been taken out of the equation?
The Jaguar line up is the best it has been in living memory but because there isn't a single manual gearbox in the whole range it's a real let down.
For the GTs (like the XK), the luxry saloons (XF & XJ) I agree that an Auto works fine for 99% of the target audience.The Jaguar line up is the best it has been in living memory but because there isn't a single manual gearbox in the whole range it's a real let down.
For the XKR-S with more sporting pretence and certainly the forthcoming F type, no manual option I would have said is an issue for closer to 50% of the target audience (look at american sports car sales with manual boxes for evidence).
I am in Liquid Knights happy camp on this subject! No manual option (for SPORTS car) .... no thanks!!
British Beef said:
Liquid Knight said:
How can it be a "drivers car" if actual act of driving the car has been taken out of the equation?
The Jaguar line up is the best it has been in living memory but because there isn't a single manual gearbox in the whole range it's a real let down.
For the GTs (like the XK), the luxry saloons (XF & XJ) I agree that an Auto works fine for 99% of the target audience.The Jaguar line up is the best it has been in living memory but because there isn't a single manual gearbox in the whole range it's a real let down.
For the XKR-S with more sporting pretence and certainly the forthcoming F type, no manual option I would have said is an issue for closer to 50% of the target audience (look at american sports car sales with manual boxes for evidence).
I am in Liquid Knights happy camp on this subject! No manual option (for SPORTS car) .... no thanks!!
Liquid Knight said:
Frimley111R said:
Liquid Knight said:
Manual option?
I know the Para Olympics are going on but surely Jaguar can make a car for people with two legs.
Yes but 99.9% want an auto and its not worth the cost of engineering one for such few buyers.I know the Para Olympics are going on but surely Jaguar can make a car for people with two legs.
How sad this world has become.
I would rather drive my 1988 Fiat Panda than be slave to drivers aids in that Jaguar.
Anywho....
SO MUCH WANT
I find myself in the same boat as one or two other PH'ers here with regard to the lack of manual gearboxes across the Jaguar range. Each to their own, of course, but I have to say I still prefer an 'old-fashioned' clutch pedal and gear lever whilst fully taking on board the argument about most Jags being relaxing fast cruisers and GT's. It's just that involvement thing. Make a crap gearchange and it's down to you, string a few sweet ones together and that's also down to you but it brings such satisfaction.
The Jaguar I'd really want was that metallic green XKR-R which appeared briefly on Top Gear, complete with manual five-speeder plus LSD (another regular Jaguar omission). Think it was a test mule complete with half rollcage as per the GT3 RS.
Only guessing here but I suppose there must be a tuning outfit somewhere that would fit those two delicious attributes to a standard XKR?
The Jaguar I'd really want was that metallic green XKR-R which appeared briefly on Top Gear, complete with manual five-speeder plus LSD (another regular Jaguar omission). Think it was a test mule complete with half rollcage as per the GT3 RS.
Only guessing here but I suppose there must be a tuning outfit somewhere that would fit those two delicious attributes to a standard XKR?
Liquid Knight said:
Only 0.1% of drivers want to drive instead of being a glorified passenger?
How sad this world has become.
I would rather drive my 1988 Fiat Panda than be slave to drivers aids in that Jaguar.
Me too, i mean who on earth would anyone want to drive a Jaguar???? better delete this whole story lest any poor soul gets the idea jaguar make cars anybody wants to drive and goes out and blows 60k, when they could get a far better panda for £600, from the local Arthur DaleyHow sad this world has become.
I would rather drive my 1988 Fiat Panda than be slave to drivers aids in that Jaguar.
peter450 said:
Liquid Knight said:
Only 0.1% of drivers want to drive instead of being a glorified passenger?
How sad this world has become.
I would rather drive my 1988 Fiat Panda than be slave to drivers aids in that Jaguar.
Me too, i mean who on earth would anyone want to drive a Jaguar???? better delete this whole story lest any poor soul gets the idea jaguar make cars anybody wants to drive and goes out and blows 60k, when they could get a far better panda for £600, from the local Arthur DaleyHow sad this world has become.
I would rather drive my 1988 Fiat Panda than be slave to drivers aids in that Jaguar.
I don't think one can understand the barge thing until you've owned one. One of the huge appeals of my E38 is how it simply removes you from the world. It's a drivers car, in a different sense.
With all due respect, with a fiat Panda over 20 years old, you'll never learn what the barges are like, and they're all the better for having an auto gearbox. And I'm someone who would HATE to have an auto porsche, or BMW M3 etc.
Liquid Knight is saying the market researchers at jag, bmw with the 7 series, Mercedes with the s class, Audi with the a8 are ALL wrong by not offering a manual box. Of course, he knows best
For all those concerned about the demise of the V8 and its unique sound, fear not! I've been doing some work on site at JLR for a while (IT project) and I can catagorically confirm that the new V6 sounds epic. Every time the F-Type mule leaves Whitley and the engineer boots it the exhaust note is something to behold and savour. Jaguar will sell bucket loads of the F-Type just on how it sounds. Go to www.f-type.com and watch the PR launch from Goodwood FoS...If that doesn't make you go weak at the knees then nothing will.
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