RE: 1.0-litre Formula Ford laps Norschleife in 7:22
Discussion
xRIEx said:
Speed addicted said:
If you just treated one in the same way as a fast bike on the road I think it would achieve the same goals.
It's faster than most traffic, you get wet when it rains, and luggage is limited to what you can strap on.
But it's also a bloody good laugh. This would be safer than the bike too. The only thing it won't do is filter.
Or wheelie, or stoppie.It's faster than most traffic, you get wet when it rains, and luggage is limited to what you can strap on.
But it's also a bloody good laugh. This would be safer than the bike too. The only thing it won't do is filter.
People are getting confused, ford have done this for years with their entry level race series. They always use there base engine to promote it whether it be the Kent crossflow or zetec, it gives the engines publicity and they run almost standard spec as the regulations are so tight so no wildly, cammy and laggy engines.
The zetec is dead and ford are trying to promote their new Eco-boost which uses a massive long stroke to gain some torque back hence the engine being very tall but with tiny pistons making it very short. The idea of the engine is to be efficient and cheap to run/insure etc all the manufactures will be doing this.....the nurburgring is currently the biggest marketing tool in car world (god knows why people fall for this) so its an ideal way to launch a new engine into the public eye.
Ford were currently embarrassed at the 1.0 capacity for their top range focus so had the engine size removed from adverts as they believed it would put off MEN! How easy it is to re- target through other means
Too tall for a caterham/Westfield etc and engines have high compression and low boost so sharp and responsive and VERY drivable.
The zetec is dead and ford are trying to promote their new Eco-boost which uses a massive long stroke to gain some torque back hence the engine being very tall but with tiny pistons making it very short. The idea of the engine is to be efficient and cheap to run/insure etc all the manufactures will be doing this.....the nurburgring is currently the biggest marketing tool in car world (god knows why people fall for this) so its an ideal way to launch a new engine into the public eye.
Ford were currently embarrassed at the 1.0 capacity for their top range focus so had the engine size removed from adverts as they believed it would put off MEN! How easy it is to re- target through other means
Too tall for a caterham/Westfield etc and engines have high compression and low boost so sharp and responsive and VERY drivable.
Renomaxi said:
...it gives the engines publicity and they run almost standard spec as the regulations are so tight so no wildly, cammy and laggy engines.
I don't think 205BHP counts as standard for the 125BHP 1.0 EcoBoost.chuntington101 said:
Intresting. makes you wonder how fast the 1.6 turbo veriosn of the Formula Ford cars would be!
It's 40BHP down on this example.crofty1984 said:
Captain Muppet said:
So you're saying Ford are lying? That it can't be true because you don't understand it?
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johnhenry said:
I will give up christmas and birthdays for life if this ends up being a crate engine.
Call them and ask...http://www.powertorque.co.uk/
It's where Caterham and Morgan get their Ford crate engines.
suffolk009 said:
People always make a big thing about adding lights to make a car road legal. Is this an SVA/IVA thing?
I know you can certainly get an MOT for an Old Grey Fergie tractor that has no lights - obviously it's only allowed on the road during the day.
Agricultural vehicles have particular excemptions, as do vehicles which are old. But to put something new on the road, you need an IVA at least. And lights are the least worrysome bit of it!I know you can certainly get an MOT for an Old Grey Fergie tractor that has no lights - obviously it's only allowed on the road during the day.
DS240 said:
People seem to shooting it down as a track toy (which lets face it, it's going to be), even if it was made road legal. Single seat, noise, comfort... blah blah.
I think it could have a desirable niche market at the right price.
It is really a more extreme BAC mono, but will real racing pedigree. That would be the main rival in a small market.
They have bothered to make it road legal (or done enough to catch some headlines), so perhaps they could get some money back.
As a track car it would amazing fun.
I agree that it doesn't fill the 'forget about the 458, mp4-12c etc' comments. They are totally different propositions, and price. It may be faster than all of them around a track, but are going to look very daft driving around on the road.
This been tried a few times I think. Roadrunner made a single seater kit which looked much like this, I've only ever seen one and I don't think they're made any more. Shame, but I don't think there is much of a market for this sort of thing.I think it could have a desirable niche market at the right price.
It is really a more extreme BAC mono, but will real racing pedigree. That would be the main rival in a small market.
They have bothered to make it road legal (or done enough to catch some headlines), so perhaps they could get some money back.
As a track car it would amazing fun.
I agree that it doesn't fill the 'forget about the 458, mp4-12c etc' comments. They are totally different propositions, and price. It may be faster than all of them around a track, but are going to look very daft driving around on the road.
Doesn't surprise me at all, alot of people have a tendency to under-estimate race cars and over-estimate supercars. A road car is so compromised compared to a proper racer. An impressive lap, but i would have been very surprised if a formula ford wasn't right up there with the top top road cars.
Realistically, how much would it cost to make?
They won't sell them hand over fist, no matter what the price. At £20k I reckon it would sell about its maximum potential volume, which would be maybe 1-3k cars?
If 1k, they'd get £20million, so if they could build it for £15k- they'd make £5million in profit per year and have a great halo car for the other ecoboost powered standard cars.
They won't sell them hand over fist, no matter what the price. At £20k I reckon it would sell about its maximum potential volume, which would be maybe 1-3k cars?
If 1k, they'd get £20million, so if they could build it for £15k- they'd make £5million in profit per year and have a great halo car for the other ecoboost powered standard cars.
J-P said:
Realistically, how much would it cost to make?
They won't sell them hand over fist, no matter what the price. At £20k I reckon it would sell about its maximum potential volume, which would be maybe 1-3k cars?
If 1k, they'd get £20million, so if they could build it for £15k- they'd make £5million in profit per year and have a great halo car for the other ecoboost powered standard cars.
It wouldn't pass type approval in anything like that form. They won't sell them hand over fist, no matter what the price. At £20k I reckon it would sell about its maximum potential volume, which would be maybe 1-3k cars?
If 1k, they'd get £20million, so if they could build it for £15k- they'd make £5million in profit per year and have a great halo car for the other ecoboost powered standard cars.
J-P said:
Realistically, how much would it cost to make?
They won't sell them hand over fist, no matter what the price. At £20k I reckon it would sell about its maximum potential volume, which would be maybe 1-3k cars?
If 1k, they'd get £20million, so if they could build it for £15k- they'd make £5million in profit per year and have a great halo car for the other ecoboost powered standard cars.
I've posted the costs of the race car already, it's about £41k excluding VAT, before you start putting the road legal stuff on it.They won't sell them hand over fist, no matter what the price. At £20k I reckon it would sell about its maximum potential volume, which would be maybe 1-3k cars?
If 1k, they'd get £20million, so if they could build it for £15k- they'd make £5million in profit per year and have a great halo car for the other ecoboost powered standard cars.
ETA that's for a larger, less powerful engine.
Edited to correct figures.
Edited by xRIEx on Wednesday 5th September 12:57
xRIEx said:
J-P said:
Realistically, how much would it cost to make?
They won't sell them hand over fist, no matter what the price. At £20k I reckon it would sell about its maximum potential volume, which would be maybe 1-3k cars?
If 1k, they'd get £20million, so if they could build it for £15k- they'd make £5million in profit per year and have a great halo car for the other ecoboost powered standard cars.
I've posted the costs of the race car already, it's about £46k excluding VAT, before you start putting the road legal stuff on it.They won't sell them hand over fist, no matter what the price. At £20k I reckon it would sell about its maximum potential volume, which would be maybe 1-3k cars?
If 1k, they'd get £20million, so if they could build it for £15k- they'd make £5million in profit per year and have a great halo car for the other ecoboost powered standard cars.
ETA that's for a larger, less powerful engine.
Apparently from the no. of hits I'm picking up on my website there is a link to me on here somewhere Tho' I've not found it yet??? I've been building these
for a few years now, but definitely not sold between 1,000 & 3,000 of them,
they're not quite as economical with a ZZR1400 engine, but I would think probably nearly as quick, perhaps I need to get to the Nurburgring!
The only way you're ever going to get anything like this on the road for the £10k mark people have talked about is to build it yourself, turnkey cars start at around £16k (+Vat), but that wouldn't be bike engined or road legal. Totalheadturners.co.uk have one for sale at present!
Tho' I've not found it yet??? I've been building thesefor a few years now, but definitely not sold between 1,000 & 3,000 of them,
they're not quite as economical with a ZZR1400 engine, but I would think probably nearly as quick, perhaps I need to get to the Nurburgring!The only way you're ever going to get anything like this on the road for the £10k mark people have talked about is to build it yourself, turnkey cars start at around £16k (+Vat), but that wouldn't be bike engined or road legal. Totalheadturners.co.uk have one for sale at present!
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