RE: 1.0-litre Formula Ford laps Norschleife in 7:22

RE: 1.0-litre Formula Ford laps Norschleife in 7:22

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The Wookie

13,970 posts

229 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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Captain Muppet said:
According to PH (who I assume quote the Ford press release) "nearly 160mph"
Missed that, and indeed probably about 60mph faster than I'd like to be travelling in a Formula Ford given the fantasy of me actually being able to fit in one.

Having said that, that new car doesn't look as precarious as I remember.

mrmr96

13,736 posts

205 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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VladD said:
RobCrezz said:
900T-R said:
OK,

Buy well used Formula Ford £ 5-10K
Engine install £5K?
IVA stuff (lights, mirrors, cycle wings etc) - £3K?

Sounds a 'cheap' way to get into an extreme track day toy... smile
I reckon 5k is optimistic for that engine + install. But its a good idea! smile
Or used MX5 - 1K
Engine install £5K?
Or:Buy well used Formula Ford £ 5-10K

...(do nothing)...

Sounds a 'cheap' way to get into an extreme track day toy... smile

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

266 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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julian64 said:
Captain Muppet said:
So you're saying Ford are lying? That it can't be true because you don't understand it?
Thats right muppet. All there in the words for anyone to read.

However, now you've called me on it muppet, I can see Ford have absolutely no reason to lie, so I don't know what could have come over me.

Do accept my sincere appologies for believing Ford might just have a motive for telling a few porkies here.
I didn't call you on anything. I just didn't believe that what I thought you wrote was what you actually meant.

ewenm

28,506 posts

246 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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mrmr96 said:
Or:Buy well used Formula Ford £ 5-10K

...(do nothing)...

Sounds a 'cheap' way to get into an extreme track day toy... smile
A lot of track days don't allow open-wheelers. So "do nothing" might be "add wheel covers" or "get ARDS licence and do test days instead".

Woody

2,187 posts

285 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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I think these would work quite well in kit cars.
Let's face it, BEC suffer from low down tourque (apparently - as I've never been in one....) so can't see it been any worse.

Register it as a new build (yes you'll need a cat etc.) but the road tax will be really low!

Also as you can buy crated duratecs and zetec's I'm guessing Ford will be punting these out at some point too.

MarkRSi

5,782 posts

219 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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Bill said:
julian64 said:
Hmmmm.

500Kg, and only 200hp. I think that equals the fastest motorcycle that runs about 200bhp and weighs about 170kg.

Can I be the first to say don't believe it.
Four flat contact patches... so vastly better braking and cornering.
I was watching videos of a ZX-10 and Megane 265 lapping the Nurburging recently side by side. Up to Quiddelbacher (I think?) they where practically neck and neck! eek I would expect the Ford to run rings round the two on the corners.

hairykrishna

13,185 posts

204 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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julian64 said:
Well I think the differences would be the motorcycle dissapearing into the distance on any sort of straight by means of its vastly better power weight ratio, and the ford having to catch up with truely collosal cornering speed on tread pattern tyres.

I don't see it myself. Ionly posted up the bike info because it shows that the ford has a Power to Weight of 400bhp/ton. I should think there are rather a lot of cars now approaching that sort of power to weight with nowhere that sort of time.

In my mind it doesn't seem to fit.
This thing will monster a bike through the corners. Brake later, carry more speed, back on the power sooner. It's only ~30 seconds quicker than a Caterham R500 and has vastly less aero drag to help on the quick bits. It's seems a pretty realistic time to me.

Robmarriott

2,641 posts

159 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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1.0 ecoboost weighs 97kg
1.6 Sigma weighs 90kg

The real difference is that the ecoboost has the footprint of a sheet of A4 paper...

The Wookie

13,970 posts

229 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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Robmarriott said:
1.0 ecoboost weighs 97kg
1.6 Sigma weighs 90kg

The real difference is that the ecoboost has the footprint of a sheet of A4 paper...
And a much wider power band

Gilhooligan

2,214 posts

145 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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Bet it sounds good too. Triple win wink

Otispunkmeyer

12,617 posts

156 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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Dave Hedgehog said:
this is my kind of eco car

now make it sound like a V8 smile
Not gonna happen, but happily the 3 is a lot more characterful than a 4 pot so I don't think there is much to worry about there!

Prancing Hippo

229 posts

149 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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Did anyone else find that they have been mysteriously drawn to the PH classifieds 'Single Seater' section...?

blahblop123

43 posts

144 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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"where are your front/rear licence plates and tax disk sir?"

bakerstreet

4,766 posts

166 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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interfacezero said:
Wonder if / when we will see the engine in a Caterham instead of the sigma block?
I mentioned this is a thread the other day. I don't think it will happen soon, but I think it will happen smile

TEKNOPUG

18,975 posts

206 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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It’s only impressive due to the claimed economy in a Focus (it’s probably very economical for a track car but who the hell considers economy when on track?). 205bhp from a 1l turbo is good going and will be rapid in a single-seater. Although F1 were running nearly 1300bhp from 1.4 turbos 30years ago…..

MiniMan64

16,945 posts

191 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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Sounds like the perfect engine for a modern Mini conversion!

Small, nippy, light and economical!

scratchchin

hairykrishna

13,185 posts

204 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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doogz said:
TEKNOPUG said:
It’s only impressive due to the claimed economy in a Focus (it’s probably very economical for a track car but who the hell considers economy when on track?). 205bhp from a 1l turbo is good going and will be rapid in a single-seater. Although F1 were running nearly 1300bhp from 1.4 turbos 30years ago…..
1.5 turbos, and for a few minutes at a time, because they'd not last any longer.
They also ran almost pure Toulene rather than petrol. F1 turbos from that era were pretty crude by modern standards. Massive power is easy if your engine can run on high octane, high power density fuel and only has to last for one flying lap.

kambites

67,602 posts

222 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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MiniMan64 said:
Sounds like the perfect engine for a modern Mini conversion!

Small, nippy, light and economical!

scratchchin
I wouldn't call 97kg dry with no gearbox "light". I believe that's significantly more than a 2.0 Honda K20. Rather more economical though. hehe

Bill

52,841 posts

256 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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hairykrishna said:
This thing will monster a bike through the corners. Brake later, carry more speed, back on the power sooner. It's only ~30 seconds quicker than a Caterham R500 and has vastly less aero drag to help on the quick bits. It's seems a pretty realistic time to me.
This. For every opportunity the bike will get to nail it the car will be braking later and carrying more speed in the first place.

Bear in mind this is a race car with some token lights and it's completely believable.

Greg_D

6,542 posts

247 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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900T-R said:
OK,

Buy well used Formula Ford £ 5-10K
Engine install £5K?
IVA stuff (lights, mirrors, cycle wings etc) - £3K?

Sounds a 'cheap' way to get into an extreme track day toy... smile
ahem,

i've already done it.....