RE: Chris Harris video: Panamera Diesel
Discussion
I could never own one of those because they make me feel physically sick to look at. That said, really enjoyed the video.
The accusations of backhanders are getting really really tired now. Disagree with the man all you want, a bit of debate is what forums are all about, but "I don't agree therefore Chris is on the take" really doesn't get us anywhere. Instead let's hear sensible reasons as to why what he says is wrong, even if sensible by PH standards is "I hate diesel and will never entertain the fuel of Satan in my tank".
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The accusations of backhanders are getting really really tired now. Disagree with the man all you want, a bit of debate is what forums are all about, but "I don't agree therefore Chris is on the take" really doesn't get us anywhere. Instead let's hear sensible reasons as to why what he says is wrong, even if sensible by PH standards is "I hate diesel and will never entertain the fuel of Satan in my tank".
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I've been open to the diesel debate since doing a tour of Scotland in a 320d e46 chasing some far more interesting cars, the simple fact is diesel technology has and is developing well. My only reservation on the panamera is for £70k+ it kinda should be what you have described here Chris.
I would be interested in taking equivalent petrol and diesel "s-line" & "m-sport" cars on a similar test to quantify performance, mpg, and driving advantages/disadvantages.... Oh both the 2.0 and the 3/3.5 variants. I think most would be surprised I know most where by my 320d!
Enjoyed the vid!
I would be interested in taking equivalent petrol and diesel "s-line" & "m-sport" cars on a similar test to quantify performance, mpg, and driving advantages/disadvantages.... Oh both the 2.0 and the 3/3.5 variants. I think most would be surprised I know most where by my 320d!
Enjoyed the vid!
Johnboy Mac said:
After hearing that vid, the summary goes something like this:
I'm not friends with Ferrari but as sure as hell I'm not going to fall out with Porsche. The only car anybody needs is a Porsche diesel (because it will do 150+ with an old Audi engine).
Or:
Better a small brown envelope from Porsche than none at all from Ferrari.
Maybe, the above is harsh & incorrect but...
Or the third option being, it's just a good car, that does the 'real world' very well??I'm not friends with Ferrari but as sure as hell I'm not going to fall out with Porsche. The only car anybody needs is a Porsche diesel (because it will do 150+ with an old Audi engine).
Or:
Better a small brown envelope from Porsche than none at all from Ferrari.
Maybe, the above is harsh & incorrect but...
Not quite sure what the obsession with back handers are tbh.
Johnboy Mac said:
After hearing that vid, the summary goes something like this:
I'm not friends with Ferrari but as sure as hell I'm not going to fall out with Porsche. The only car anybody needs is a Porsche diesel (because it will do 150+ with an old Audi engine).
Or:
Better a small brown envelope from Porsche than none at all from Ferrari.
Maybe, the above is harsh & incorrect but...
What is your evidence or have you just made all that up? I'm not friends with Ferrari but as sure as hell I'm not going to fall out with Porsche. The only car anybody needs is a Porsche diesel (because it will do 150+ with an old Audi engine).
Or:
Better a small brown envelope from Porsche than none at all from Ferrari.
Maybe, the above is harsh & incorrect but...
I can guess the answer.
Engage your brain before posting next time, you might say something of interest.
Johnboy Mac said:
After hearing that vid, the summary goes something like this:
I'm not friends with Ferrari but as sure as hell I'm not going to fall out with Porsche. The only car anybody needs is a Porsche diesel (because it will do 150+ with an old Audi engine).
Or:
Better a small brown envelope from Porsche than none at all from Ferrari.
Maybe, the above is harsh & incorrect but...
No, it's actionable - so, write your evidence, and then we'll see where we stand.I'm not friends with Ferrari but as sure as hell I'm not going to fall out with Porsche. The only car anybody needs is a Porsche diesel (because it will do 150+ with an old Audi engine).
Or:
Better a small brown envelope from Porsche than none at all from Ferrari.
Maybe, the above is harsh & incorrect but...
Oddly he started to sound like one of my elderly family members, in the video, justifying 'adequate' performance.
It's still an awfully unattractive car which has the performance of a moderately fast executive saloon but with the compromises of a sports coupé. So yes, for a fast Coupe, it isn't fast enough. For a brisk executive saloon, it's accommodation is too compromised.
It's a hateful car of confusion that's only saving graces are it's quite fun and economical for its size. Like a cruise liner with a sport badge.
It's still an awfully unattractive car which has the performance of a moderately fast executive saloon but with the compromises of a sports coupé. So yes, for a fast Coupe, it isn't fast enough. For a brisk executive saloon, it's accommodation is too compromised.
It's a hateful car of confusion that's only saving graces are it's quite fun and economical for its size. Like a cruise liner with a sport badge.
Chris Harris said:
Johnboy Mac said:
Good, honest review of a superb real-world car. Lost on a small percentage of the population though....
Fire99 said:
Oddly he started to sound like one of my elderly family members, in the video, justifying 'adequate' performance.
It's still an awfully unattractive car which has the performance of a moderately fast executive saloon but with the compromises of a sports coupé. So yes, for a fast Coupe, it isn't fast enough. For a brisk executive saloon, it's accommodation is too compromised.
It's a hateful car of confusion that's only saving graces are it's quite fun and economical for its size. Like a cruise liner with a sport badge.
See now here's the subjective bit, I quite like the looks, sorry but I've been to spec savers to check and I still do, I also think that given the options available I would be tempted by one. accepted I don't have the need or 70k to buy one today, but then I really liked the Cayenne when I had one so it takes all sorts.It's still an awfully unattractive car which has the performance of a moderately fast executive saloon but with the compromises of a sports coupé. So yes, for a fast Coupe, it isn't fast enough. For a brisk executive saloon, it's accommodation is too compromised.
It's a hateful car of confusion that's only saving graces are it's quite fun and economical for its size. Like a cruise liner with a sport badge.
In a world where compromise is becoming more and more common I can see its place, in my eyes its less of a compromise than some cars.
Chris, your reviews are usually insightful, comprehensive and targeted at the kind of use a type of car will actually get (something a lot of mags struggle with), but this thing... too ugly, too heavy, too expensive. 2 tonnes is not far from SUV territory. For that price, they've got to be kidding.
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