RE: Chris Harris video: Panamera Diesel
Discussion
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Hellbound said:
If we're not careful and more appreciative of the time CH and crew put into making these vids, I wouldn't be surprised if he moved to the US.
Personally I think they should put him on Top Gear USA, he'll liven that show right up.
Have a Personally I think they should put him on Top Gear USA, he'll liven that show right up.
I was going to try & point out the relation of posting up a video of your opinions on a forum where the whole point of adding content is to promote discussion but I'd say it would be wasted in you.
The Crack Fox said:
Hellbound said:
If we're not careful and more appreciative of the time CH and crew put into making these vids, I wouldn't be surprised if he moved to the US.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but they're doing it to make money as it's a business, they're not doing it FOC just to keep you happy. 
Now, I'd better watch the vid, and see what all the fuss is about.
Making videos for the sole purposes of promoting discussion and generating web traffic (by making them worth watching!) is fine and dandy, everyone wins. There are no losers apart from perhaps the odd manufacturer.
Responding to those videos with snarky, offensive and rude comments benefits nobody. Everyone loses. There's no such thing as total free speech. Everyone has to show at least a modicum of respect to one another and being inflammatory is not acceptable. That's what I was getting at.
Handbook of the Europe motorist
Mour:
1)old diesel engine particles -> can be inhalated
2)modern common-rail engine particles -> can be absorbed via mucous membrane
3)nextgen higher pressure injection engine particles -> nanoparticles, can be absorbed via pores of skin
DPF - collects particles of the type 1 and throws them out by burning process every few hundred of miles
Bright future of good fuel economy and cancer awaits us.
Mour:
1)old diesel engine particles -> can be inhalated
2)modern common-rail engine particles -> can be absorbed via mucous membrane
3)nextgen higher pressure injection engine particles -> nanoparticles, can be absorbed via pores of skin
DPF - collects particles of the type 1 and throws them out by burning process every few hundred of miles
Bright future of good fuel economy and cancer awaits us.
Edited by Zajda on Friday 14th September 02:56
Zajda said:
Handbook of the Europe motorist
Mour:
1)old diesel engine particles -> can be inhalated
2)modern common-rail engine particles -> can be absorbed via mucous membrane
3)nextgen higher pressure injection engine particles -> nanoparticles, can be absorbed via pores of skin
DPF - collects particles of the type 1 and throws them out by burning process every few hundred of miles
Bright future of good fuel economy and cancer awaits us.
That's why respiratory failure and relating cancers are far higher in cities. It's the second biggest killer in London. Mour:
1)old diesel engine particles -> can be inhalated
2)modern common-rail engine particles -> can be absorbed via mucous membrane
3)nextgen higher pressure injection engine particles -> nanoparticles, can be absorbed via pores of skin
DPF - collects particles of the type 1 and throws them out by burning process every few hundred of miles
Bright future of good fuel economy and cancer awaits us.
And....THAT is why electric modes of transport need to be adopted whole scale in these areas. Move the pollution out of areas of high population and into areas of no population where it can be absorbed into the atmosphere and made harmless by mother nature.
Look, certain of you are making slanderous allegations regarding the guys professional integrity, when he points this out you retort with all kind of bull about, its an open forum, cant take a bit of lively discussion or debate etc. I put it to you how pleased would you be, in whatever line of work your in, if people stared making public insinuations about your honesty?
I think its great that pistonheads have added Chris's video articles which are well produced and add an extra dimension to the site.
I think its great that pistonheads have added Chris's video articles which are well produced and add an extra dimension to the site.
Hellbound said:
That's why respiratory failure and relating cancers are far higher in cities. It's the second biggest killer in London.
And....THAT is why electric modes of transport need to be adopted whole scale in these areas. Move the pollution out of areas of high population and into areas of no population where it can be absorbed into the atmosphere and made harmless by mother nature.
This, will of course, be replaced with many deaths and maladies associated with EMF's?And....THAT is why electric modes of transport need to be adopted whole scale in these areas. Move the pollution out of areas of high population and into areas of no population where it can be absorbed into the atmosphere and made harmless by mother nature.
Buy Big, buy fast, buy petrol, you know it makes sense.....buy the Panamera (this is an advert)
Thanks for the great video Chris, well presented and great drifting shots.
I need to have a car that I like the look of, and the Porsche in my eyes is a disappointment, it's the second disappointment to come from Porsche.
Both being new ventures.
As for the performance I would expect and prefer something quicker with worse mpg.
It doesn't excite me.
A shame, a great brand.
I need to have a car that I like the look of, and the Porsche in my eyes is a disappointment, it's the second disappointment to come from Porsche.
Both being new ventures.
As for the performance I would expect and prefer something quicker with worse mpg.
It doesn't excite me.
A shame, a great brand.
Hellbound said:
That's why respiratory failure and relating cancers are far higher in cities. It's the second biggest killer in London.
And....THAT is why electric modes of transport need to be adopted whole scale in these areas. Move the pollution out of areas of high population and into areas of no population where it can be absorbed into the atmosphere and made harmless by mother nature.
This, will of course, be replaced with many deaths and maladies associated with EMF's?And....THAT is why electric modes of transport need to be adopted whole scale in these areas. Move the pollution out of areas of high population and into areas of no population where it can be absorbed into the atmosphere and made harmless by mother nature.
Buy Big, buy fast, buy petrol, you know it makes sense.....buy the Panamera (this is an advert)
greggy50 said:
LHD said:
It'll be interesting to see if Porsche stick the V8 diesel in the Panamera now that it's in the Cayenne.
Then the comments of 'it's not fast enough' will be put to bed once and for all.
Oh and reference to the V6, a 15 second quarter 10 years ago put it up there with some pretty exotic machinery don't forget.
I just don't understand why didn't they use the bi-turbo 3.0 V6 someone explain doesn't make sense to me at all :sThen the comments of 'it's not fast enough' will be put to bed once and for all.
Oh and reference to the V6, a 15 second quarter 10 years ago put it up there with some pretty exotic machinery don't forget.
The low bonnet line of the Panamera means that the V8 and new bi-turbo don't fit. The V8 i could understand, but the bi-turbo is basically a reworked version of the same engine, so i'm sure it could be repackaged.
The black and heads are probably the same, they just need to reposition the turbos and plumbing. A Panamera Diesel S with 330bhp would be awesome.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean by that (actionable statements?).
I honestly thought I was discussing the topic on a sensible level & although I get the general gist of what a troll or trolling is supposed to be on Internet forums, on pistonheads I usually see it as something a poster calls someone else when they can't find a reasoned or rational retort to another ones point of view.
I kind of expected better....
Are you really this thick? Accusing someone of Bias in their profession without evidence is not fair play on a public forum.I honestly thought I was discussing the topic on a sensible level & although I get the general gist of what a troll or trolling is supposed to be on Internet forums, on pistonheads I usually see it as something a poster calls someone else when they can't find a reasoned or rational retort to another ones point of view.
I kind of expected better....
One question; Have you perhaps, ever considered that CH has no bias and Porsche simply make stonking cars that quite often outperform their competition?
Sorry if that's a little logical for you
Chris
Fantastic review as always. Whilst appreciating that the point of the video was assessing whether the Panamera was fast enough, most people would recognise it already was.
A better thesis would have been whether £62k is too much for a three litre diesel? However dynamically excellent, I get the impression that the excellent chassis carries a fast but fairly monotonous engine. Would a manual 3.6 litre petrol have been more fun for instance? Does £62K for a Porsche diesel fastback look ridiculous when a Boxter S sports car can be had for £17k less?
Cars aren't produced in isolation, a lot of cars reviewed independently have great merit; it's only when assessed critically with a nod towards the competition that a more rounded consensus can be formed.
Thank you and I look forward to the next!
Fantastic review as always. Whilst appreciating that the point of the video was assessing whether the Panamera was fast enough, most people would recognise it already was.
A better thesis would have been whether £62k is too much for a three litre diesel? However dynamically excellent, I get the impression that the excellent chassis carries a fast but fairly monotonous engine. Would a manual 3.6 litre petrol have been more fun for instance? Does £62K for a Porsche diesel fastback look ridiculous when a Boxter S sports car can be had for £17k less?
Cars aren't produced in isolation, a lot of cars reviewed independently have great merit; it's only when assessed critically with a nod towards the competition that a more rounded consensus can be formed.
Thank you and I look forward to the next!
Stuart said:
Not a knee jerk reaction, but one we've arrived at gradually during the year. We're getting really bored of comments such as this, and don't want them or the people who make them on the site. We're all for a good argument but the sort of statement we're talking about has no place here.
I'm saying that publicly so that people can consider themselves warned.
If it's any consolation Stuart, many of your forum goers are equally bored of this. I come to this website to read and write a little about cars. Like many others, I don't come here to read about this sort of unsubstantiated rubbish from keyboard warriors.I'm saying that publicly so that people can consider themselves warned.
If someone made unsubstantiated allegations of corruption related to my work on a popular website, I'd have spoken to lawyers a long, long time ago. Whether you agree with his writing or not, Mr Harris' restraint is admirable.
Stuart, if that's a knee jerk reaction then your reflexes are abnormally slow and I'd suggest a visit to your doctor.
This thread has been hilarious, but I really don't see why people don't understand that there is a need for a car that can be comfy for long distances and then fun on the twisties and be relatively low in CO2.
We're looking at new company cars at work and this will probably be top of the list for the boss as it'll satisfy his need to be comfy when roaming around the country and still be fun when he finds a decent road in some isolated part of Scotland while not hammering him too much in BIK payments. The 6 Series gran coupe is knocking on £70,000, so while this is no oil painting it's not horrendous value either.
If you earn a decent whack, get a company car and don't want to provide Herr Chancellor with a massive amount of money for the privilege then surely this has to be as good a compromise as any?
We're looking at new company cars at work and this will probably be top of the list for the boss as it'll satisfy his need to be comfy when roaming around the country and still be fun when he finds a decent road in some isolated part of Scotland while not hammering him too much in BIK payments. The 6 Series gran coupe is knocking on £70,000, so while this is no oil painting it's not horrendous value either.
If you earn a decent whack, get a company car and don't want to provide Herr Chancellor with a massive amount of money for the privilege then surely this has to be as good a compromise as any?
RomanM said:
Chris
Fantastic review as always. Whilst appreciating that the point of the video was assessing whether the Panamera was fast enough, most people would recognise it already was.
A better thesis would have been whether £62k is too much for a three litre diesel? However dynamically excellent, I get the impression that the excellent chassis carries a fast but fairly monotonous engine. Would a manual 3.6 litre petrol have been more fun for instance? Does £62K for a Porsche diesel fastback look ridiculous when a Boxter S sports car can be had for £17k less?
Cars aren't produced in isolation, a lot of cars reviewed independently have great merit; it's only when assessed critically with a nod towards the competition that a more rounded consensus can be formed.
Thank you and I look forward to the next!
I don't understand why, in your view, petrol cars with higher capacities should cost more. I know that they generally do, but the specification usually goes up with the capacity. Surely in this instance you pay more for the economy, ironic as that seems. Fantastic review as always. Whilst appreciating that the point of the video was assessing whether the Panamera was fast enough, most people would recognise it already was.
A better thesis would have been whether £62k is too much for a three litre diesel? However dynamically excellent, I get the impression that the excellent chassis carries a fast but fairly monotonous engine. Would a manual 3.6 litre petrol have been more fun for instance? Does £62K for a Porsche diesel fastback look ridiculous when a Boxter S sports car can be had for £17k less?
Cars aren't produced in isolation, a lot of cars reviewed independently have great merit; it's only when assessed critically with a nod towards the competition that a more rounded consensus can be formed.
Thank you and I look forward to the next!
blearyeyedboy said:
Stuart said:
Not a knee jerk reaction, but one we've arrived at gradually during the year. We're getting really bored of comments such as this, and don't want them or the people who make them on the site. We're all for a good argument but the sort of statement we're talking about has no place here.
I'm saying that publicly so that people can consider themselves warned.
If it's any consolation Stuart, many of your forum goers are equally bored of this. I come to this website to read and write a little about cars. Like many others, I don't come here to read about this sort of unsubstantiated rubbish from keyboard warriors.I'm saying that publicly so that people can consider themselves warned.
If someone made unsubstantiated allegations of corruption related to my work on a popular website, I'd have spoken to lawyers a long, long time ago. Whether you agree with his writing or not, Mr Harris' restraint is admirable.
Stuart, if that's a knee jerk reaction then your reflexes are abnormally slow and I'd suggest a visit to your doctor.
t so why not accept that the major community thinks his opinion is wrong, and therefore that it holds no merit, and stop trying to dick measure with them.The insinuation that CH was taking bribes or is biased is unfounded and fasle. Everyone on here seems to know this. So ignore the troll and get back to this hideous lump of pig iron?
Internet in chock full of dheads shock.
I can understand thick people thinking Chris is on the take. Porsche has been making fantastic cars pretty much forever and, as such, are generally very well-liked. They get reviewed favourably and win group tests all the time and motoring journos (who are petrolheads as well remember) jump at the chance to drive them, because they're mega. To the moron (who, combined with having a limited mental capacity has probably never driven a Porsche so has no frame of reference) this probably starts to look like the result of bribery.
Puuuur-leeease.
I've driven a 993 Carrera, 997 4S, a Cayman S. All were absolutely brilliant, and none are even close to being the best Porsches as far as I know.
Maybe PH should set up a drive for a few of the people who doubt how great Porsches are.
heads shock.I can understand thick people thinking Chris is on the take. Porsche has been making fantastic cars pretty much forever and, as such, are generally very well-liked. They get reviewed favourably and win group tests all the time and motoring journos (who are petrolheads as well remember) jump at the chance to drive them, because they're mega. To the moron (who, combined with having a limited mental capacity has probably never driven a Porsche so has no frame of reference) this probably starts to look like the result of bribery.
Puuuur-leeease.
I've driven a 993 Carrera, 997 4S, a Cayman S. All were absolutely brilliant, and none are even close to being the best Porsches as far as I know.
Maybe PH should set up a drive for a few of the people who doubt how great Porsches are.
R300will said:
So ignore the troll and get back to this hideous lump of pig iron?
Though I think there's a difference between internet arsery and taking action to protect your professional reputation... Point taken and I'll start talking about the ugly munter of a car again. Anyway, it may be hideous but you don't have to look at it when you drive it. I'm amazed how many people spend large amounts of money on driving something that's beautiful for other people to look at, and yet it's furnished like someone's raided Matalan in the bit you've paid a lot of money to sit in.
Then again, I'd love a car that looked like a Golfocastra and went like a Cayman. Then again, I'm weird.
i have to say i think chris is wrong
yes the car is fast enough - but not for the porsche badge IMHO
you don't buy a 70k porsche to go slow
driving this car must be like advertising you have a small willy now chris has identified how slow it really is, a 15 sec 1/4 mile time is not good !
i would rather have a m5 or gtr
but that is only my opinion
yes the car is fast enough - but not for the porsche badge IMHO
you don't buy a 70k porsche to go slow
driving this car must be like advertising you have a small willy now chris has identified how slow it really is, a 15 sec 1/4 mile time is not good !
i would rather have a m5 or gtr
but that is only my opinion
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