RE: Monkey's F1 Predictor
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morgs_ said:
Damn you and your quick quoting 
Realised just after I made the post lol.
Hehe, yep, I noticed you'd got rid of it as soon as I posted.. Let it stand anyway because it was hard to get your head round Realised just after I made the post lol.
There is, of course, no power limit in F1. Very very few "big" race series implement such a thing, but are usually governed by restrictor plates only allowing a certain inlet diameter and choking engines to an appropriate level. Within the regulations of the engine construction, you can do what you want. Word is that these current engines are 700-750bhp, but nobody will give you their exact figures for obvious reasons!
Edited by McSam on Friday 14th September 17:05
R11ysf said:
EDLT said:
If the General Motorsport threads are anything to go by...
INB4 HAMILTON BASHING!
That's funny as the very first thing I thought when I saw the photo is why the juddering fINB4 HAMILTON BASHING!
k is Lewis wearing sunglasses for a grid photo. We all know Kimi doesn't give a toss but i bet Lewis was just trying to be "cool". I wonder if Simon Fuller told him to wear it 
MSTRBKR said:
Guessing here, but I think the limit is something like 650bhp, so it could be something to do with how much power they dare give the engine (or use) in terms of reliability.
I believe there is no restriction on "power". However there are a ton of restrictions on all of the various specifications of components and stuff. And there are currently development restrictions on engines as well. There's a limit to how much power a (2.4 v8?) can generate reliably. The guess at power at the moment circa 800bhp. 
chilled said:
MSTRBKR said:
Guessing here, but I think the limit is something like 650bhp, so it could be something to do with how much power they dare give the engine (or use) in terms of reliability.
I believe there is no restriction on "power". However there are a ton of restrictions on all of the various specifications of components and stuff. And there are currently development restrictions on engines as well. There's a limit to how much power a (2.4 v8?) can generate reliably. The guess at power at the moment circa 800bhp. So when the new turbo engines are finally in the cars, we could potentially see quite a large difference in power outputs / performance? .... Which would make selecting the right team / with engine supplier critical for the driver...
I don't want to turn this into an engine thread, but with the general knowledge pool of the members on here it's quite nice to actually get reliable (credible) answers.... Is there a general rule of thumb for working out PSI / BHP ratio? (IE, if I run and additional 1 PSI boost can I expect an additional 10BHP). I know that’s going to depend on the overall specification of the engine so there are potentially lots of variables in that question. I’m just interested in how with the new engines one manufacturer would close the gap on another if they were a little short on performance at the start of the season, as with 3 different manufactures the chances of them all having the same power is unlikely at best.
Since we're all armchairing... hows this for some juicy gossip? Formula1fancast.com has an interesting story regarding Hekki MAYBE going to the Prancing Horse....
Link here: http://www.formula1fancast.com/2012/09/formula-1-n...
Link here: http://www.formula1fancast.com/2012/09/formula-1-n...
ZX10Ben said:
I don't want to turn this into an engine thread, but with the general knowledge pool of the members on here it's quite nice to actually get reliable (credible) answers.... Is there a general rule of thumb for working out PSI / BHP ratio? (IE, if I run and additional 1 PSI boost can I expect an additional 10BHP).
No, not at all, to be honest - it is an extremely complex equation and even two different engines made to the same FIA rulebook (ie, incredibly similar overall) could respond differently to changes in boost pressure. I'm not sure, but I fully expect the maximum boost pressures to be the chief regulation anyway. But with any new formula, it's always interesting to see how close the cars end up being!
)McSam said:
ZX10Ben said:
I don't want to turn this into an engine thread, but with the general knowledge pool of the members on here it's quite nice to actually get reliable (credible) answers.... Is there a general rule of thumb for working out PSI / BHP ratio? (IE, if I run and additional 1 PSI boost can I expect an additional 10BHP).
No, not at all, to be honest - it is an extremely complex equation and even two different engines made to the same FIA rulebook (ie, incredibly similar overall) could respond differently to changes in boost pressure. I'm not sure, but I fully expect the maximum boost pressures to be the chief regulation anyway. But with any new formula, it's always interesting to see how close the cars end up being!
chilled said:
I believe there is no restriction on "power". However there are a ton of restrictions on all of the various specifications of components and stuff. And there are currently development restrictions on engines as well. There's a limit to how much power a (2.4 v8?) can generate reliably. The guess at power at the moment circa 800bhp.
The proposed 2014 regulations stipulate a maximum fuel flow rate - which means there will come a point no matter how much air you stuff in, there won't be any more fuel available to burn, so it's effectively a power limit. Plus the ERS system (yes, ERS, not KERS) has a maximum power/duration. If it's hard to get power figures now, it will be very hard to get them after next season.Driver market - clearly hinging on Schumi and Massa, IMO. Maldonado will only have a seat while he keeps bringing large sums, he's too much of a liability despite his one win. Heikki has seen off two reasonable team-mates with ease, but last time in the McLaren he didn't shine, I don't think Woking will have him back unless Lewis goes and Di Resta/Hulkenberg are not an option. And who would Caterham take if Heikki leaves? Perhaps a capable GP2 refugee like Valsecchi. Petrov will probably stay to provide money, unless the Russian goes to Marussia, but there are rumours of Timo having signed a contract, although I wouldn't be surprised to see an Englishmen and a Frenchmen driving for them next year.
More surprising is that at Spa, Schumacher didn't announce anything. Perhaps that would have been too obvious.
Loved the tongue in cheek article by CH. Im sure that MS will leave though I think he has so much more to give. If he was driving a Ferrari or Mclaren what could he achieve? I am biased because I love the fact that at 42/3 he has managed to look like he still has the pace, and im 42. It makes me believe that if he's not over the hill neither am I.
For what its worth I think Lewis will go to Mercedes for money. Button will stay at Mclaren and win more races than Lewis. Ferrari will have FA and Massa will leave. Kimi could join Mclaren and beat Button, which would hurt as I think Button a genuine honorable and good driver.
Red Bull as it is this year and then the second driver at Ferrari is a mystery...as is all of it and fair more interesting than the transfer window in football which holds absolutely no interest to me whatsoever.
For what its worth I think Lewis will go to Mercedes for money. Button will stay at Mclaren and win more races than Lewis. Ferrari will have FA and Massa will leave. Kimi could join Mclaren and beat Button, which would hurt as I think Button a genuine honorable and good driver.
Red Bull as it is this year and then the second driver at Ferrari is a mystery...as is all of it and fair more interesting than the transfer window in football which holds absolutely no interest to me whatsoever.
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