Extreme camber
Discussion
TheLastPost said:
Mr2Mike said:
...so nothing to do with superbikes then, why even mention them?
Quite simply, because what with all this talk of excessive negative camber being dangerous, I thought it might add perspective.In comparison to the apparently harmless fashions of tyre stretching and wheel cambering (for which I can find not a single report of an attributable serious accident or fatality), there are approximately 400 deaths and 25,000 serious injuries on UK roads alone from motorcycling accidents each year, with all the consequent costs to the economy, emergency services and NHS.
Motorcyclists are statistically proven to have the highest fatality rate per mile covered of any road users, period.
Mr2Mike said:
Because it's a stupid thing to do...
More stupid than exposing yourself to the most hazardous form of transport there is, do you think?Edited by TheLastPost on Wednesday 19th September 09:29
TheLastPost said:
Captain Muppet said:
Not the most hazardous...
Mere coincidence that Kamikaze, superbikes and extreme cambering are all techniques perfected in the Land of the Rising Sun, do you think?TheLastPost said:
Essentially, yes. Though on the evidence available so far, the phrase should be 'much more dangerous'.
Which means:
If you're prepared to tolerate motorcycling (which I am), then in all fairness you have to tolerate other, less dangerous and less anti-social forms of personal expression.
Conversely, if you're going to outlaw anything (and I would reiterate that I myself am vehemently opposed to any but the most basic legislative restriction of personal freedoms and choice, on ethical grounds), then logic and fairness would dictate that you'd start with the one that's most dangerous and costly to the economy, no?
Bikers are in a particularly poor position to criticise the 'stupidity' of others who choose to enjoy a different form of motoring culture to their own. People in glass houses, etc...
In the meanwhile, live and let live?
So by extension... let's do away with all the MoT rules, and dangerous driving rules, and the highway code... because whatever you do in a car, more people will still die on motorbikes?Which means:
If you're prepared to tolerate motorcycling (which I am), then in all fairness you have to tolerate other, less dangerous and less anti-social forms of personal expression.
Conversely, if you're going to outlaw anything (and I would reiterate that I myself am vehemently opposed to any but the most basic legislative restriction of personal freedoms and choice, on ethical grounds), then logic and fairness would dictate that you'd start with the one that's most dangerous and costly to the economy, no?
Bikers are in a particularly poor position to criticise the 'stupidity' of others who choose to enjoy a different form of motoring culture to their own. People in glass houses, etc...
In the meanwhile, live and let live?
Cars should be as safe as practicably possible. Just because they are safer than motorbikes doesn't mean anyone can FUBAR them into mutant things on ballet tyres, and expect others to accept them on the roads.
Edited by simoid on Wednesday 19th September 10:58
TheLastPost said:
So by extension...all forms of road transport should be as safe as practicably possible?
[devilsadvocate] There's no practical need for superbikes, so perhaps they should be banned? [/devilsadvocate]
Is a superbike any more dangerous than it needs to be? I'd say it's about as safe as practicably possible.[devilsadvocate] There's no practical need for superbikes, so perhaps they should be banned? [/devilsadvocate]
Edited by TheLastPost on Wednesday 19th September 12:33
I'm not sure what direction your heading in here. My general point is that I don't want to share the road with a car like that Celica, because I don't really trust its braking/handling/avoiding my car on a B road ability. So I'm quite against the idea of having a needlessly unsafe car.
Superbikes are a bit dangerous, because all you do is hold onto the outside. But we're in quite a free country, so people get to do some dangerous stuff in the name of freedom. Riding roadworthy superbikes, driving roadworthy cars, smoking, drinking, golfing...
Im with simoid. Im not about giving some form of big brother power. I just want these snap back, sleeve tattoo clad pricks to drop off the earth and take their terrible motors with them.
This is not about adding legislation, its about controlling these freaks and their terrible taste in modification. Bring back boot enclosers and silly OTT body kits.
This is not about adding legislation, its about controlling these freaks and their terrible taste in modification. Bring back boot enclosers and silly OTT body kits.
TheLastPost said:
simoid said:
I appear to have inadvertantly stumbled across some discussion about an Orwellian Britain.
No, it's not about Orwellian Briain, though I admit that the similarities are really quite scary.Go back and read the first few pages of this thread... you'll find that I'm by no means alone in what I'm saying.
simoid said:
TheLastPost said:
simoid said:
I appear to have inadvertantly stumbled across some discussion about an Orwellian Britain.
No, it's not about Orwellian Briain, though I admit that the similarities are really quite scary.Go back and read the first few pages of this thread... you'll find that I'm by no means alone in what I'm saying.
It'd never work.
MrBrightSi said:
Im with simoid.
I'm not, I think he's talking crap. Although TheLastPost isn't argueing for the other side in the best possible way.What simoid is trying to say is, he doesn't like what other people like, so they should be banned from doing it. He's trying to base his arguement on the health and safety aspect of it, which is just f
king stupid.As everybody on here always says, drive to the conditions and within the limitations of the vehicle. If the car has extreme camber, drive it as though it has extreme camber... Not difficult is it, and would explain why everytime a car takes to the motorway with more camber than Simoid would approve of, it doesn't explode and kill everybody in the vicinity.
StottyZr said:
I'm not, I think he's talking crap. Although TheLastPost isn't argueing for the other side in the best possible way.
What simoid is trying to say is, he doesn't like what other people like, so they should be banned from doing it. He's trying to base his arguement on the health and safety aspect of it, which is just fking stupid.
Sorry if I've offended you, I'm not saying anything like that, I'm very liberal. I don't care what people to do their cars if it's safe, I just feel (I'm not a mechanic) that Celica has taken it too far, and I hope there's nothing like that on the roads here. Although if it's as safe as any other car on the road with a current MoT, then fair enough, I retract my comments.What simoid is trying to say is, he doesn't like what other people like, so they should be banned from doing it. He's trying to base his arguement on the health and safety aspect of it, which is just f
king stupid. StorryZr said:
As everybody on here always says, drive to the conditions and within the limitations of the vehicle. If the car has extreme camber, drive it as though it has extreme camber... Not difficult is it, and would explain why everytime a car takes to the motorway with more camber than Simoid would approve of, it doesn't explode and kill everybody in the vicinity.
They go on the motorway 
Just kidding, I think
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