Extreme camber

[MG CHRIS]

I honestly don't get why some people get so highrate about stancing, modifying saxo's etc. Not everyone likes the same thing i just spent 5k stripping a mx5 to build a kit car other will spend that money rebuilding a mx5 to mint condition. Some wants to stick a c2 body over an evo 4 running gear and some like to modify their saxo, corsa etc with a body kit or run air suspension the list goes on.

If everyone liked the same thing this world would be pretty borring and even though the purist might not think so but the people who modify there cars not for performance are still into their cars just as much as the owners who want to update their suspension, brakes, engine etc. I generaly don't like the look of stancing or body kits but i don't go around thinking im above them because i spend my money on performance and calling for it to be banned is just pathetic only on pH have a witnessed this and there are worse things to be worried about than this.

[Marf]

Dave Hedgehog said:

just because someone has an idea or a "vision" does not mean it should be done, plenty of examples in history of this

Is that Godwinwang?? I bloody hope not

[Wills2]

PKLD said:

Just when you think the video can't get any worse watch the end for the rear camber

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfQ315JoiF0&fea...

Why is it making that horrid noise?

[RZ1]

Is the steerling lock bad on these cars???
Surely that amount of camber will make them harder to steer?

[Dave Hedgehog]

Marf said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

just because someone has an idea or a "vision" does not mean it should be done, plenty of examples in history of this

Is that Godwinwang?? I bloody hope not

i was thinking of michael macintyre becoming a "comedian"

[iphonedyou]

Dave Hedgehog said:

i think compulsory sterilisation on anyone who stances a car will suffice, its a clear indication of defective DNA that needs to be removed from the gene pool

That's not really fair. You said yourself you modified cars terribly when you were younger. So basically, it's ok because you've had your fun now?!

If we'd sterilised everybody with crappy spotlights on their car, you wouldn't be able to have children either...

[Dave Hedgehog]

iphonedyou said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

i think compulsory sterilisation on anyone who stances a car will suffice, its a clear indication of defective DNA that needs to be removed from the gene pool

That's not really fair. You said yourself you modified cars terribly when you were younger. So basically, it's ok because you've had your fun now?!

i am not against modding cars, there are plenty of fantastic modded cars on this site, just this ridiculous fashion craze, trying to make comedy clown cars

[Petrolhead95]

Anyone that puts camber on their car is a prat. It looks stupid and it's pointless.

[Marf]

Petrolhead95 said:

Anyone that puts extreme camber on their car is a prat. It looks stupid and it's pointless.

EFA. My car has camber, your car probably has camber too. Just not the kind of camber which makes it look like the hub has come loose from the strut.

[iphonedyou]

Petrolhead95 said:

Anyone that puts camber on their car is a prat. It looks stupid and it's pointless.

Well that's not true. Look at race cars.

[Petrolhead95]

I don't mean race cars, it's there for a reason and I don't mean slight camber, I mean stupid amounts so that it's really obvious.

I probably should of been clearer in my post

[With these feet]

iphonedyou said:

Well that's not true. Look at race cars.

Race cars usually have a max of around 5 - 6 degrees neg. Less on the rear. Mainly down to the requirements of slick tyres and the temperature across the tyre.
Excessive amounts of neg camber increases tyre wear and temperature, tram-lining and reduces high speed stability - especially under braking and on heavily cambered roads.


Ive nothing against modified cars in the right place. Anyone who thinks running excessive camber is safe is misinformed.

[nicanary]

I'm no mechanic, so you'll have to bear with me, but when I've seen these "stanced" cars, the first thing I've thought is - how does the running gear deal with this? What sort of strain is it putting on the driveshafts and Ujs etc? Have they been modified as well?

They probably are beefed for the serious drifters, but I bet most of the lads who do it to their road cars haven't even considered it.Am I being dumb here? I can only assume that these road cars never go over 30mph, cos otherwise they are in for a really strange drive.

[NiceCupOfTea]

It's not for me, but I would defend the rights of people to do it! As long as it is done safely, or if for show then not driven on the public road I have no problem. I have to admit I love seeing these things, the Japanese are mental, it's like those modified 70s Jap cars with huge chins and exhaust pipes sticking up 15 feet at the back! Amazing!

Vive la difference

Edited by NiceCupOfTea on Sunday 16th September 12:24

[ohtari]

nicanary said:

I'm no mechanic, so you'll have to bear with me, but when I've seen these "stanced" cars, the first thing I've thought is - how does the running gear deal with this? What sort of strain is it putting on the driveshafts and Ujs etc? Have they been modified as well?

They probably are beefed for the serious drifters, but I bet most of the lads who do it to their road cars haven't even considered it.Am I being dumb here? I can only assume that these road cars never go over 30mph, cos otherwise they are in for a really strange drive.

If you've ever followed one crab it's way up the road, 30mph is optimistic.

So that's why there hasn't been much in the way of accidents with these "slammed" cars, because then can't go fast enough to cause one!

[whoami]

Wills2 said:

PKLD said:

Just when you think the video can't get any worse watch the end for the rear camber

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfQ315JoiF0&fea...

Why is it making that horrid noise?

Because, like the rest of the car, it's fked.

[DeolTheBeast]

I don't see a problem with it. Honestly - I think it's pretty certain that 95% of the people putting on extreme camber on cars know themselves it is not going to help the drive of the car. I'd assume they are going to use the car for shows and such.

When that is the case, "each to their own" and all that.

[xRIEx]

iphonedyou said:

Petrolhead95 said:

Anyone that puts camber on their car is a prat. It looks stupid and it's pointless.

Well that's not true. Look at race cars.

This is a prime example of the moronic attitude that causes these trends in the first place. "Well it works for race cars, so means my car will be better on the road."

Newsflash: "a race on a track is a different situation to driving on a road." There, I said it.

Race tyres (at top club level and up) will do about 40 miles (depending on series and class) then get binned. Do these road morons replace their tyres every 400 miles, even?

A race car may spend less than 50% of a lap travelling in a straight line (dependent on circuit). As such, there is also, say 2-3 degrees of toe in on one rear wheel, and maybe one degree toe out on the other - which one depends on whether the track is clockwise or anticlockwise. Do the stancers do that too because race cars do? Well they should do, because race cars do. Never mind that it even fks up a race car's handling/stability until it's driven properly (i.e. tyres are right up to temperature and it is cornered with commitment).

I learned recently that (apparently) drifters use stretched tyres to reduce traction to help initiate a drift, so the copycat brigade think, "drifting is cool, so I'll be cool if I do the same as they do."

I love a race car's purpose of design and execution, but to unthinkingly try to translate it to a road car is idiotic.

ETA:

DeolTheBeast said:

I don't see a problem with it. Honestly - I think it's pretty certain that 95% of the people putting on extreme camber on cars know themselves it is not going to help the drive of the car. I'd assume they are going to use the car for shows and such.

When that is the case, "each to their own" and all that.

Despite my vitriol, I do agree with this, from a 'show' point of view. The look still isn't to my taste, but if someone wants to do it to show off, fine. I just detest it when people think they're making their cars better to drive.

Edited by xRIEx on Sunday 16th September 12:38

[otolith]

I think front brakes look st. Wouldn't it look really cool just to completely remove them, and stop the car with rear brakes alone? Obviously anyone objecting to this idea is just a grumpy old fart.

[maniac0796]

nicanary said:

I'm no mechanic, so you'll have to bear with me, but when I've seen these "stanced" cars, the first thing I've thought is - how does the running gear deal with this? What sort of strain is it putting on the driveshafts and Ujs etc? Have they been modified as well?

They probably are beefed for the serious drifters, but I bet most of the lads who do it to their road cars haven't even considered it.Am I being dumb here? I can only assume that these road cars never go over 30mph, cos otherwise they are in for a really strange drive.

Some of the guys I help mod with will put a lot of thought into what they do. Some not so much.

What I can say is after 3 years or so of abuse, components on these cars still work fine for the most part. It tends to wear out inner CV joints, and bottom ball joints due to new load angles, and obviously tyres but you can engineer around it.

Lifting the engine higher makes the driveshafts sit flatter, and reduces sump damage. Ball joint extenders flatten out the wishbones which reduce wear on the ball joints and bushes and make it handle a bit nicer.

Massive component failure is rare though. And they still pass MOT most years without massive work. Recently helped someone who has potentially the lowest Mk3 golf in the country through an MOT. Only major thing was an inner CV boot. This is a car that's been driven probably 15k about half an inch off the ground for a year.

For those who say they don't handle well because they think they're the king of geometry, I've seen some of these cars fly around corners quicker than I'd dare in cars that are meant to be amazing at handling from standard.