RE: New BMW 1.5-litre engine revealed
Discussion
Pistonwot said:
I challenge you.
Show me 1 instance where BMW have told the truth about MPG and economy.
Really, just 1.
Who is stupid enough to fall for this again?
Only those who "want to believe", well good for you!
BMW Comedy Claim Actual On the road
Engine (Official Combined) (Real Average) (Actual Range)
123d 54.3–55.4 mpg 44.7 mpg 40–51.1 mpg
Submit your own real MPG:
Show me 1 instance where BMW have told the truth about MPG and economy.
Really, just 1.
Who is stupid enough to fall for this again?
Only those who "want to believe", well good for you!
BMW Comedy Claim Actual On the road
Engine (Official Combined) (Real Average) (Actual Range)
123d 54.3–55.4 mpg 44.7 mpg 40–51.1 mpg
Submit your own real MPG:
I have that car, it does 65-70mpg on the m'way@65, usual driving 48mpg, I spent a week taking it easy to work and back when I was low on money. 50%m'way, 50% Leeds ring road and b roads, I averaged 56mpg.
This was a 22mile each way rush hour commute.
Theres a real life example for you.
Just because you can't achieve what BMW claim doesn't mean its false you tard. You do realise every single car sits the exact same standardised test in the same atmospheric conditions and they get their respective score.
If your 15% shy of the clamis BMW, you'll be 15% shy of any other 55mpg turbo'd car.
Maybe you should actually look into learning something about anything car related before you come on here and attempt to argue with people who work in the industry and other engineers.
Edited by StottyZr on Friday 21st September 09:53
ensignia said:
edo said:
I havent read the thread that has gone before here, because doubtless it is the usual PH drivel and brand hatred that comes with pretty much every article these days.
I was just reading about this in this weeks autocar, and they are hugely impressed with it. Seems like a big step forward in economy whilst retaining a decent level of performance. BMW continue to dominate when it comes to engine technology and development.
I agree. People on here are sometimes borderline retarded when it comes to any new engine technology. This is a fantastic engine and I'm sure other manufacturers will be putting out similar engines in the next few years.I was just reading about this in this weeks autocar, and they are hugely impressed with it. Seems like a big step forward in economy whilst retaining a decent level of performance. BMW continue to dominate when it comes to engine technology and development.
Derek Chevalier said:
ensignia said:
edo said:
I havent read the thread that has gone before here, because doubtless it is the usual PH drivel and brand hatred that comes with pretty much every article these days.
I was just reading about this in this weeks autocar, and they are hugely impressed with it. Seems like a big step forward in economy whilst retaining a decent level of performance. BMW continue to dominate when it comes to engine technology and development.
I agree. People on here are sometimes borderline retarded when it comes to any new engine technology. This is a fantastic engine and I'm sure other manufacturers will be putting out similar engines in the next few years.I was just reading about this in this weeks autocar, and they are hugely impressed with it. Seems like a big step forward in economy whilst retaining a decent level of performance. BMW continue to dominate when it comes to engine technology and development.
Although BMW's previous engine in this class has been best in class every year since 2007, and BMW have won more international engine of the year awards than any other manufacturer by a huge margin (55 compared to VAG in second place with 26 and Toyota/Honda joint third with 22).
Derek Chevalier said:
Captain Muppet said:
Although BMW's previous engine in this class has been best in class every year since 2007
I wonder what the criteria are for this? How do they test reliability? How do they test loss of efficiency over time due to direct injection issues?Marf said:
Derek Chevalier said:
Captain Muppet said:
Although BMW's previous engine in this class has been best in class every year since 2007
I wonder what the criteria are for this? How do they test reliability? How do they test loss of efficiency over time due to direct injection issues?"In every category, the panellists judged each shortlisted engine using their subjective driving impressions and technical knowledge, and took into account characteristics such as fuel economy, smoothness, performance, noise and drivability. The jurors each had 25 points to award to their five favourite engines in each category. A maximum of 15 points could be allocated to an engine, and the minimum was one point. An engine could not be tied for the top spot.
All performance and fuel economy figures referenced in this journal are manufacturers’ data and are based on EU Cycles (except where indicated)."
gck303 said:
Not quite. You would still have pumping loses. At 6000rpm a two litre engine is moving 12 cubic meters of air a minute.
Plus, you still need to get that half of the engine hot, and keep it hot.
Doesn't the Bentley V8 shut down 4 of the cylinders when cruising?Plus, you still need to get that half of the engine hot, and keep it hot.
ETA - http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/2767...
stevebubs said:
Doesn't the Bentley V8 shut down 4 of the cylinders when cruising?
ETA - http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/2767...
There was a Merc unit that did this as well as an LS unit (L99?) ETA - http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/2767...
They shut down when just cruising as you don't need the power. However, I don't believe any of them really work in a way that is purposeful. The LS unit barely gives a 5% saving.
It's something which I think has been superseded as a concept especially now engines are heading smaller again.
DonkeyApple said:
stevebubs said:
Doesn't the Bentley V8 shut down 4 of the cylinders when cruising?
ETA - http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/2767...
There was a Merc unit that did this as well as an LS unit (L99?) ETA - http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/2767...
They shut down when just cruising as you don't need the power. However, I don't believe any of them really work in a way that is purposeful. The LS unit barely gives a 5% saving.
It's something which I think has been superseded as a concept especially now engines are heading smaller again.
Did someone say FWD?
I thought BMW had the traction control well enough sorted out nowadays (actually, nowadays, I mean ten years ago = my e46 330i without an LSD and with 10 year old traction control, is, well, nearly impossible to slide even if I try my hardest).
RWD with front engine is so much more pleasant to work on as well.
Other than the price of a propshaft, a bit of a transmission tunnel (so?), and I suppose being able to share parts amongst the range, I can't see why BMW would want FWD. The latter point wouldn't seem to fit BMW anyway. Aren't minis the only FWDs they make, and it's a different brand anyway ?
Did the original article even mention FWD or did someone make it up in the comments?
I thought BMW had the traction control well enough sorted out nowadays (actually, nowadays, I mean ten years ago = my e46 330i without an LSD and with 10 year old traction control, is, well, nearly impossible to slide even if I try my hardest).
RWD with front engine is so much more pleasant to work on as well.
Other than the price of a propshaft, a bit of a transmission tunnel (so?), and I suppose being able to share parts amongst the range, I can't see why BMW would want FWD. The latter point wouldn't seem to fit BMW anyway. Aren't minis the only FWDs they make, and it's a different brand anyway ?
Did the original article even mention FWD or did someone make it up in the comments?
Hellbound said:
Weird thread about an engine.
I wonder what happens at these PH meets. I like to think, after some posturing, you all start kicking each other in the shins.
just shorted some snot - thank you.I wonder what happens at these PH meets. I like to think, after some posturing, you all start kicking each other in the shins.
Only if the other combatant doesn't have an MX5 or e39 M5 shirley? After posturing natch.
carl0s said:
Did someone say FWD?
Other than the price of a propshaft, a bit of a transmission tunnel (so?), and I suppose being able to share parts amongst the range, I can't see why BMW would want FWD. The latter point wouldn't seem to fit BMW anyway. Aren't minis the only FWDs they make, and it's a different brand anyway ?
Did the original article even mention FWD or did someone make it up in the comments?
Other than the price of a propshaft, a bit of a transmission tunnel (so?), and I suppose being able to share parts amongst the range, I can't see why BMW would want FWD. The latter point wouldn't seem to fit BMW anyway. Aren't minis the only FWDs they make, and it's a different brand anyway ?
Did the original article even mention FWD or did someone make it up in the comments?
It's things like this which tipped it for BMW. For something like a 1-Series, the number of people who buy them new who are interested in which wheels are turned by the engine is tiny. RWD in a small hatchback is especially compromised as the engine bay takes up a lot more of the length of the car as a proportion of the total. More length equals more weight, and every extra kilo needs beefier suspension, bigger brakes, and so forth.
So in a market where RWD is an active handicap, and where they already have a couple of FWD platforms available to them, it seems bizarre to continue with RWD.
davepoth said:
It's things like this which tipped it for BMW. For something like a 1-Series, the number of people who buy them new who are interested in which wheels are turned by the engine is tiny. RWD in a small hatchback is especially compromised as the engine bay takes up a lot more of the length of the car as a proportion of the total. More length equals more weight, and every extra kilo needs beefier suspension, bigger brakes, and so forth.
So in a market where RWD is an active handicap, and where they already have a couple of FWD platforms available to them, it seems bizarre to continue with RWD.
The reason for me buying a 1 was that I needed a hatchback for the boss as she doesn't like large cars and I despise small FWD cars as they are sodding uncomfortable to drive. By the time you get your legs stretched and comfortable you are nowhere near the wheel. Hateful little cars for gibbon shaped Frenchmen in the most part.
Fire99 said:
Before we all get skippy the kangaroo about these diddy engines, can someone tell me what is "ground breaking" about the Ford EcoBoost engine?? Small capacity turbo engines are nothing new.
Direct injection and possibly exhaust manifolds with built in cooling channels. Means they don't have to spray extra fuel in to keep temps in Check at high loadDonkeyApple said:
It would be depressing if no one was making a competent, small RWD car.
The reason for me buying a 1 was that I needed a hatchback for the boss as she doesn't like large cars and I despise small FWD cars as they are sodding uncomfortable to drive. By the time you get your legs stretched and comfortable you are nowhere near the wheel. Hateful little cars for gibbon shaped Frenchmen in the most part.
107 for the wife, 25 year old XJ12 for you surely?The reason for me buying a 1 was that I needed a hatchback for the boss as she doesn't like large cars and I despise small FWD cars as they are sodding uncomfortable to drive. By the time you get your legs stretched and comfortable you are nowhere near the wheel. Hateful little cars for gibbon shaped Frenchmen in the most part.
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