RE: Porsche 918 Spyder: leaked details

RE: Porsche 918 Spyder: leaked details

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Porkie

2,378 posts

240 months

Friday 21st September 2012
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
indeed, but who knows why they decided that a supercar needs to be able to do these figures?

something tells me that should you be able to find the necessary 800K euros to buy one the price of petrol & congestion charges may not be of utmost importance
You are totally missing the point.

Porkie

2,378 posts

240 months

Friday 21st September 2012
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Guvernator said:
I think this is probably the best looking of the new batch of hypercars, with nods to the previous Carrera GT but turned up to 11. It looks STUNNING!

However that 1600kg+ weight is absolutely shocking, especially from Porsche and it's all down to the stupid hybrid tech which seems to being pushed down our throats. Yes it might accelerate well enough but anyone can make a car go fast in a straight line, however there will be no hiding that weight in the corners and braking where it really matters which is very surprising from the manufacturer who probably makes the best lightweight specials out there in the form of the GT3 and RS cars.

It's even more puzzling that they've hybridized a low volume supercar, what's the point exactly? Sticking two fingers up at a Eurocats? If so it's a bad joke at the detriment of the actual car.

Here's hoping they make a RS version of this and remove all the hybrid sh*t and let the true potential of this car shine. In fact if I were rich enough to be able to afford one of these, that's exactly what I'd ask Porsche to do.
Lightweight specials? a 997 GT3 with a couple of fat passengers is the same weight as this car...

the Ring time kinda suggests they are 'hiding that weight' as you put it ok as well doesnt it?

Its a technological show piece, a halo car for Porsche and a car to push boundaries, help the brand profile, and appeal to the UBER UBER wealthy.

Its not about sticking two fingers up at Eurocrats at all IMHO!!!!!



matthias73

2,883 posts

149 months

Friday 21st September 2012
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gl20 said:
My car does 94mpg... down a hill

Not sure what I make of mixing this technology. If you want something really efficient surely you wouldn't buy one of these to begin with? Conversely if you want performance do you want something laden down with this extra tech for supposed extra efficiency?

I do get that it makes sense in this day and age to have some of both (eg a Boxster with a 7th gear overdrive and coast feature that can both be locked out when you don't want them) but I'm not sure about the mix that the 918 provides. Does look good though
ge.
Lets just call this a duel engined sports car with great acceleration and a very long range

There, by deleting the word electric it sounds fantastic wink

Guvernator

13,104 posts

164 months

Friday 21st September 2012
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Porkie said:
Lightweight specials? a 997 GT3 with a couple of fat passengers is the same weight as this car...

the Ring time kinda suggests they are 'hiding that weight' as you put it ok as well doesnt it?

Its a technological show piece, a halo car for Porsche and a car to push boundaries, help the brand profile, and appeal to the UBER UBER wealthy.

Its not about sticking two fingers up at Eurocrats at all IMHO!!!!!
Hmm interesting points of view

You say "A couple of heavy passengers" as if it's not a big deal but you are talking about nearly 200kgs, that's an extra 15% heavier for a start. Also have you tried having a couple of large passengers in your own car? I have and it makes the car feel positively lethargic compared to when I am on my own.

I do agree that it is Porsche's technological tour de force much like the 959 was in it's day however I still question taking it in the hybrid direction, especially when trying to appeal to the uber wealthy. Do you really think rich Arabs, the new Chinese money or Russian oligarchs really give two hoots about a cars green credentials or how their low volume hypercar might be killing the planet?

The ring time is impressive I have to say and unlike some I'm not a hybrid hater. The technology isn't there yet but with some improvements I can definitely see it's advantages on a day to day car, I just think it's a hugely unnecessary "gimmick" on a hypercar.

DonkeyApple

54,921 posts

168 months

Friday 21st September 2012
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Guvernator said:
Hmm interesting points of view

You say "A couple of heavy passengers" as if it's not a big deal but you are talking about nearly 200kgs, that's an extra 15% heavier for a start. Also have you tried having a couple of large passengers in your own car? I have and it makes the car feel positively lethargic compared to when I am on my own.

I do agree that it is Porsche's technological tour de force much like the 959 was in it's day however I still question taking it in the hybrid direction, especially when trying to appeal to the uber wealthy. Do you really think rich Arabs, the new Chinese money or Russian oligarchs really give two hoots about a cars green credentials or how their low volume hypercar might be killing the planet?

The ring time is impressive I have to say and unlike some I'm not a hybrid hater. The technology isn't there yet but with some improvements I can definitely see it's advantages on a day to day car, I just think it's a hugely unnecessary "gimmick" on a hypercar.
Good points but is it not more equitable to use the wealthiest drivers to trial new tech than the poorest?

DonkeyApple

54,921 posts

168 months

Friday 21st September 2012
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Guvernator said:
Hmm interesting points of view

You say "A couple of heavy passengers" as if it's not a big deal but you are talking about nearly 200kgs, that's an extra 15% heavier for a start. Also have you tried having a couple of large passengers in your own car? I have and it makes the car feel positively lethargic compared to when I am on my own.

I do agree that it is Porsche's technological tour de force much like the 959 was in it's day however I still question taking it in the hybrid direction, especially when trying to appeal to the uber wealthy. Do you really think rich Arabs, the new Chinese money or Russian oligarchs really give two hoots about a cars green credentials or how their low volume hypercar might be killing the planet?

The ring time is impressive I have to say and unlike some I'm not a hybrid hater. The technology isn't there yet but with some improvements I can definitely see it's advantages on a day to day car, I just think it's a hugely unnecessary "gimmick" on a hypercar.
Good points but is it not more equitable to use the wealthiest drivers to trial new tech than the poorest?

RJJ

360 posts

197 months

Friday 21st September 2012
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Really stunning this car, not since a Mclaren F1 or F40 have I thought wow, another chapter in supercar history has begun.

Please lotto numbers come in smile

noble12345

362 posts

215 months

Friday 21st September 2012
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RichB said:
noble12345 said:
...shame they couldnt make the boxster </911> look this good...
I would suggest with the 981 they are approaching it. smile
Definatley going in the right direction, the latest 911/boxster are the best ever, but if they made the boxtser look this good they would sell a lot more, id buy another in a heart beat biggrin

noble12345

362 posts

215 months

Friday 21st September 2012
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Dusty964 said:
RichB said:
noble12345 said:
...shame they couldnt make the boxster </911> look this good...
I would suggest with the 981 they are approaching it. smile
That and the fact that if the 911 looked like it it would not be a 911.
It would be better, like a modern 959 sucessor without the rear seats! biggrin

Conian

8,030 posts

200 months

Friday 21st September 2012
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this car is not as good looking as the prototype
and yet it's still sooooo good looking

Repent

358 posts

172 months

Saturday 22nd September 2012
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A beautiful car, but Im still not sold on the wheels.

Dave Hedgehog

14,541 posts

203 months

Saturday 22nd September 2012
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Bisonhead said:
Lovely in the Martini livery
ill have mine like this as well please

epom

11,396 posts

160 months

Saturday 22nd September 2012
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Will the Carrera GT now come down in price?? yayyyyy :-) still can't afford one though boooo frown Think that new one looks superb btw.

wtdoom

3,742 posts

207 months

Sunday 23rd September 2012
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I am having passenger laps in this thing at Leipzig in a couple of days .
I have very mixed emotions . I love Porsche and want the car to be great but I can't get it out of my head that even with the modern safety grubbins and dsg ( if you remove the hybrid crap ) the car is still lighter than the all carbon Cgt .
I can't stop thinking what might have been .
Personally if I was going to go the other way ( from a pure 2wd Cgt type car ) with all that weight , I would have at least given the car massive veyron type power and put it in that veyron super , luxury gt kind of category
I can't help thinking its in the middle and fear all the current ( and upcoming ) supercars from Bugetti , mclaren , Ferrari and even pagani will have this cars number in their own way .
I hope I am wrong but I fear I am right .
Also once again Porsche are going to make too many of this thing , 918 ( maximum) examples is just too much IMO . Soon to be extinct battery technology and too many cars produced does not bode well for future values .

Verde

506 posts

187 months

Monday 24th September 2012
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I didn't think it possible to build a car that is more beautiful that the CGT but in the 918 Porsche has done it. And it is certainly a technological watershed moment in supercar design. Nonetheless, I can't help but think what a car, with all of the hybrid capabilities embodied in this new machine, would be like if it weighed 2800 lbs and counted minimal weight as another of it's breakthroughs.
Beautiful as it is, and painful as it is to admit, I suspect that if I had the money (which I surely do not), I would be leaving a deposit for the Enzo successor which I've read will count low weight and huge power (with KERS no less) as one of it's design breakthroughs.