RE: Porsche 918 Spyder: leaked details
Discussion
ZesPak said:
thinfourth2 said:
Its a hybrid therefore it will be slow
All petrol cars will be faster
i know this as Clarkson told me
All petrol cars will be faster
i know this as Clarkson told me
Also, in their research, Top Gear proved the (petrol) M3 actually returned better mpg than the (hybrid) Prius.
I really hope it makes a noise like the Toyota Le Mans hybrid racer!
Drive off and its all quiet (isn) electric motors etc and no drama, but when the engine fires it barks into life and scares old grannies at 50 meters! Thats what I want from a fire breathing hybrid from Porsche. None of that namby-pamby eco crap - noise, fire and the self-centred smugness that says you can tell Prius owners to sod of in the high and mighty stakes.
Oh, and please, let someone by one of these who can run it in the HOV or ECO lanes in some major city somewhere! I believe that California changed the rules for HOV lanes and it would be fantastic if this Porsche meets with the new standards! It would be great to see a hyper car like this trundling around California in the HOV lanes because its clean enough to do so....
Drive off and its all quiet (isn) electric motors etc and no drama, but when the engine fires it barks into life and scares old grannies at 50 meters! Thats what I want from a fire breathing hybrid from Porsche. None of that namby-pamby eco crap - noise, fire and the self-centred smugness that says you can tell Prius owners to sod of in the high and mighty stakes.
Oh, and please, let someone by one of these who can run it in the HOV or ECO lanes in some major city somewhere! I believe that California changed the rules for HOV lanes and it would be fantastic if this Porsche meets with the new standards! It would be great to see a hyper car like this trundling around California in the HOV lanes because its clean enough to do so....
shortar53 said:
ZesPak said:
thinfourth2 said:
Its a hybrid therefore it will be slow
All petrol cars will be faster
i know this as Clarkson told me
All petrol cars will be faster
i know this as Clarkson told me
Also, in their research, Top Gear proved the (petrol) M3 actually returned better mpg than the (hybrid) Prius.
Good one! I'm just wondering why a hybrid supercar? New Enzo, Macca P1 included? That's just 'contradiction in terminis'...
Supercars (when used as a supercar) will always puff out more of the black stuff than a normal car. But there are so few superars on the ground (compared to regular vehicles) that it doesn't affect global warming and such!
Hybrids on regular cars make more sense. Although I'd buy an old tasty car, convert it to gas and safe the world from another battery driven car being built...
Just imagina how good the Porsche 918, Maccca P1 and new Enzo would bee without this appologetic hybrid system.
Again, the 918 is a lovely machine to behold. But adding a hybrid drive a almost saying sorry for the fact that it has been built.
Supercars (when used as a supercar) will always puff out more of the black stuff than a normal car. But there are so few superars on the ground (compared to regular vehicles) that it doesn't affect global warming and such!
Hybrids on regular cars make more sense. Although I'd buy an old tasty car, convert it to gas and safe the world from another battery driven car being built...
Just imagina how good the Porsche 918, Maccca P1 and new Enzo would bee without this appologetic hybrid system.
Again, the 918 is a lovely machine to behold. But adding a hybrid drive a almost saying sorry for the fact that it has been built.
black412i said:
Probably for the same reason Dr. Porsche decided to build a rear-engined sports car when nobody else was doing so 
Erwin1978 said:
Good one! I'm just wondering why a hybrid supercar? New Enzo, Macca P1 included? That's just 'contradiction in terminis'...
Supercars (when used as a supercar) will always puff out more of the black stuff than a normal car. But there are so few superars on the ground (compared to regular vehicles) that it doesn't affect global warming and such!
Call it KERS, then, and the world will be in order again... Supercars (when used as a supercar) will always puff out more of the black stuff than a normal car. But there are so few superars on the ground (compared to regular vehicles) that it doesn't affect global warming and such!
I would expect that the hybrid components add significantly to the acceleration figures;
yes its heavy, but it can obviously control this weight adequately
The Cayenne hybrid is over 2200 KG and can still achieve 0-60 in around 6 seconds, and that's only got a 3L V6!
It's when the three electric motors combine with the petrol that they generate an overall massive torque, giving a very big engine feel, and as the electric motors produce peak torque from 0 rpm, it's will get off the line pretty quick !
I'm guessing the 918 does something similar, and runs both systems in parallel.
Therefore, ditching the hybrid bits might make it seem somewhat anaemic (did I really just type that...?)
yes its heavy, but it can obviously control this weight adequately
The Cayenne hybrid is over 2200 KG and can still achieve 0-60 in around 6 seconds, and that's only got a 3L V6!
It's when the three electric motors combine with the petrol that they generate an overall massive torque, giving a very big engine feel, and as the electric motors produce peak torque from 0 rpm, it's will get off the line pretty quick !
I'm guessing the 918 does something similar, and runs both systems in parallel.
Therefore, ditching the hybrid bits might make it seem somewhat anaemic (did I really just type that...?)
Yep, I guess there might be something very attractive about the combination of instant torque from a set of electric motors, and the noise/response/build of power across the rev range of a petrol ICE. As an experience, I would certainly not discount it off-hand (if 8 kW of electric assistance can make a 75 hp 1.3 diesel feel quite bearable in a 1,400 kg Astra demonstrator vehicle...).
g3org3y said:
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Though this lightweight option that removes 35kg seems more a token effort rather than any genuine attempt at weight saving.
I think it is cunning and subtle PR to combat the negativity over the weight that will come from some angles. Though this lightweight option that removes 35kg seems more a token effort rather than any genuine attempt at weight saving.
No one will choose this option so it is just there highlighting that Porsche haven't screwed up on the weight and that this is just as light as it can be already?
I think this is probably the best looking of the new batch of hypercars, with nods to the previous Carrera GT but turned up to 11. It looks STUNNING!
However that 1600kg+ weight is absolutely shocking, especially from Porsche and it's all down to the stupid hybrid tech which seems to being pushed down our throats. Yes it might accelerate well enough but anyone can make a car go fast in a straight line, however there will be no hiding that weight in the corners and braking where it really matters which is very surprising from the manufacturer who probably makes the best lightweight specials out there in the form of the GT3 and RS cars.
It's even more puzzling that they've hybridized a low volume supercar, what's the point exactly? Sticking two fingers up at a Eurocats? If so it's a bad joke at the detriment of the actual car.
Here's hoping they make a RS version of this and remove all the hybrid sh*t and let the true potential of this car shine. In fact if I were rich enough to be able to afford one of these, that's exactly what I'd ask Porsche to do.
However that 1600kg+ weight is absolutely shocking, especially from Porsche and it's all down to the stupid hybrid tech which seems to being pushed down our throats. Yes it might accelerate well enough but anyone can make a car go fast in a straight line, however there will be no hiding that weight in the corners and braking where it really matters which is very surprising from the manufacturer who probably makes the best lightweight specials out there in the form of the GT3 and RS cars.
It's even more puzzling that they've hybridized a low volume supercar, what's the point exactly? Sticking two fingers up at a Eurocats? If so it's a bad joke at the detriment of the actual car.
Here's hoping they make a RS version of this and remove all the hybrid sh*t and let the true potential of this car shine. In fact if I were rich enough to be able to afford one of these, that's exactly what I'd ask Porsche to do.
Denorth said:
I haven't read through all the posts, but I read in other news today that this Porsche drove The Ring in 7 min 14 sec.
It had 'Weissach package' and all this makes it the quickest road legal car on The Ring apart from track models and Radical
Nurburgring times are utterly irrelevant, unless you're (principally) Porsche or Nissan, and here's why. This (admittedly gorgeous) 918 Spyder lapped the 'Ring in 7 mins 14 secs - as claimed by Porsche. Nissan claimed that the 2011 GTR did it in 7m 24s, while the original, apparently standard, 2009 model managed 7m 29s. I'm not aware of any laptime for the 550bhp 2012 version. It had 'Weissach package' and all this makes it the quickest road legal car on The Ring apart from track models and Radical
My first point here is that, for a 1740kg car you can drive everyday, the GTR is clearly a ludicrously quick and capable machine. I think that's always been clear. My actual point is that, since you can get a used GTR for around £35k, you can buy practically all of the 918 Spyder's 'Ring performance for less than the price of its crazy €50k paint upgrade! That's why the Nurburgring time is an irrelevance. Radical technology aside, if Porsche are suggesting that the 918 is a some sort of trackday monster, should it not have been a bit quicker?! Not that there's anything wrong with the time it managed, but my issue with 'Ring times in general has always been that they don't mean that a car will be any good in the real world. It just means that it's fast round one track, which itself is hardly representative of tracks in general. (Finally, for those who do care about 'Ring times, the GTR really does make everything else look overpriced, doesn't it?)
EU rules mean that manufacturers need to improve the average mpg of the range, this is why we have Porsche diesels and also a 94mpg £400,000 hybrid.
I think the 918 is the most beautiful middle finger salute to the Eurocrat tree huggers.
The price of the car means it has to be very special, very exclusive and very fast. Comparing it to a GTR misses the point.
I think the 918 is the most beautiful middle finger salute to the Eurocrat tree huggers.
The price of the car means it has to be very special, very exclusive and very fast. Comparing it to a GTR misses the point.
I don't think the corporate average CO2 issue really matters with extremely low volume, extremely expensive cars from a mass manufacturer like Porsche. It is hugely important if you wish to sell more affordable cars in large numbers, but not in this case.
It may, however, be a useful marketing stunt in introducing the same sort of technology into the volume product.
It may, however, be a useful marketing stunt in introducing the same sort of technology into the volume product.
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