RE: £300k all-electric SLS only months away
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Cynical move to drastically reduce the average C02 emissions of the range. Not quite as cynical as the Toyota Cygnet, but fiddling the figures nonetheless.
Incidentally, I've heard the argument several times now that we are at the 'Sinclair Spectrum' stage of electric car (and renewable energy) technology, but I'm still not convinced. These moves are driven by politics and not science.....
Incidentally, I've heard the argument several times now that we are at the 'Sinclair Spectrum' stage of electric car (and renewable energy) technology, but I'm still not convinced. These moves are driven by politics and not science.....
Edited by r11co on Thursday 20th September 20:23
r11co said:
Cynical move to drastically reduce the average C02 emissions of the range. Not quite as cynical as the Toyota Cygnet, but fiddling the figures nonetheless.
Incidentally, I've heard the argument several times now that we are at the 'Sinclair Spectrum' stage of electric car (and renewable energy) technology, but I'm still not convinced. These moves are driven by politics and not science.....
So do you think that oil will be available forever or is that just scaremongery by the government?Incidentally, I've heard the argument several times now that we are at the 'Sinclair Spectrum' stage of electric car (and renewable energy) technology, but I'm still not convinced. These moves are driven by politics and not science.....
Edited by r11co on Thursday 20th September 20:23
I've read arguments similar to yours every time an article pops up about electric cars but despite the naysaying, no-one ever has any form of suggestion for what the future may bring.
I'm not having a go at you directly but if petrol runs out and electric cars aren't the answer then what is going to be on our roads in 50 years time?
Gary C said:
Until generation of electricity is from carbon free sources, all these electrical vehicles just move the emmisions to another place.
Pointless
Not completely pointless at all. Pointless
In the West, most people live in urban to ultra urban environments. Air and noise pollution are serious factors.
As such, tools which move things like particulate pollution out of cities is better for the majority in regards to health.
Peak oil is rubbish, we are nowhere near running out of petrol and besides, the petrol car will always be an around better solution until there is a genuine revolution in power packs but the fact is that right now anything that shifts key pollutants out of cities is a good thing.
The best thing about this decade is that the big manufacturers have woken up to the fact that making Tard looking cara for yogurt weavers is idiotic as weaving yogurt doesn't make money. As such they are now making cars for people who don't give a flying f
k about tt CO2 lies and drivel and as such have the money to actually buy a product. This is a step change and the tech will trickle down more easily than up and we will get better and cheaper cars much sooner.
Fatman2 said:
I'm not having a go at you directly but if petrol runs out and electric cars aren't the answer then what is going to be on our roads in 50 years time?
Hydrogen fuelled cars, with the gas extraction performed using electricity from nuclear power stations.Oh, I forgot, nuclear is mega dangerous, as the earthquake in Japan recently didn't prove.....
Storing the electricity itself is unnecessary and inefficient, but while politically correct power generation concentrates on renewables, which aren't delivering, car manufacturers posture by detaching themselves from the real issue (that we are still generating most of our electricity from fossil fuels) and instead piss about with storing the end product rather than involving themselves in how it was generated.
Edited by r11co on Thursday 20th September 20:48
r11co said:
Hydrogen fuelled cars, with the gas extraction performed using electricity from nuclear power stations.
Oh, I forgot, nuclear is mega dangerous, as the earthquake in Japan recently didn't prove.....
Storing the electricity itself is unnecessary and inefficient, but while politically correct power generation concentrates on renewables which aren't delivering, car manufacturers posture by detaching themselves from the real issue (that we are still generating most of our electricity from fossil fuels) and instead piss about with storing the end product rather than involving themselves in how it was created.
'Pissing about storing the end product' is actually the difficult issue. Hydrogen's fine, but how do you store it at a reasonable energy density practically? That's far from a solved problem at the moment. It or batteries, still too early to tell at the moment I think.Oh, I forgot, nuclear is mega dangerous, as the earthquake in Japan recently didn't prove.....
Storing the electricity itself is unnecessary and inefficient, but while politically correct power generation concentrates on renewables which aren't delivering, car manufacturers posture by detaching themselves from the real issue (that we are still generating most of our electricity from fossil fuels) and instead piss about with storing the end product rather than involving themselves in how it was created.
The generation issue's solved and has been for a long time. Fission works. We'll soon tell the hippies to do one once we start having electricity shortfalls. Which we will as soon as electric cars start to gain some market share.
Just seems so .... WRONG, AMG and electric in the same sentence. I'm sure we'll see KERS-like attachments to our wheels very soon on all vehicles and only prius-like hybrids allowed in our cities...
Just why is the internal combustion engine doomed then?
Shirley any of the alternative alcohol based fuels will do almost as well as the hydrocarbons. Ethanol, methanol anybloody-anol is surely better than electric traction? As has been said, until the electricity generation industry cleans its act up one way or another can we take the alleged 'green' credentials of electric powered vehicles at face value?
I know I can't! (sips at his glass of ethanol..)
Further development of the "Flex" engines would help maybe - they work with any mixture of alcohol / petrol / whatever you have at the back of the shed...
KimZ said:
Just seems so .... WRONG, AMG and electric in the same sentence. I'm sure we'll see KERS-like attachments to our wheels very soon on all vehicles and only prius-like hybrids allowed in our cities...
Just why is the internal combustion engine doomed then?
I think its utterly excellent !!! With only one problem, the range... 130 miles? Is that driving like a saint or at full chat? How far will it go on the autobahn at 150mph... 20 minutes? Maybe 30?
Great car for golf club bragging for the well heeled, but utterly impractical to actually use for anything other than driving to and from said golf club..
I suppose if you can afford one of these you've got a panamera or Bentley as well for when you want to drive to the alps.
Great car for golf club bragging for the well heeled, but utterly impractical to actually use for anything other than driving to and from said golf club..
I suppose if you can afford one of these you've got a panamera or Bentley as well for when you want to drive to the alps.
r11co said:
Fatman2 said:
I'm not having a go at you directly but if petrol runs out and electric cars aren't the answer then what is going to be on our roads in 50 years time?
Hydrogen fuelled cars, with the gas extraction performed using electricity from nuclear power stations.Oh, I forgot, nuclear is mega dangerous, as the earthquake in Japan recently didn't prove.....
Ultimately hydrogen is a great option but how many hydrogen cars have we seen on the roads? I've not seen any (the odd bus maybe) and if there were any, people on here would sneer at them just as they do the Prius. Hydrogen takes electricity to produce so is another shift of CO2. Your argument stands just the same for hydrogen as it does for electric cars.
What I was looking for was an option that wasn't going to stand to the cynical opinions that have been expressed so far.
I would think that a lot of the people posting negative comments would certainly change their opinion if they had a chance to drive this car. I suspect it would kick the petrol version into the next century in real driving terms.
As for range, I doubt I could go any further than 130 mniles on 60 litres of petrol in my own car which produces a similar maximum power figure.
As for range, I doubt I could go any further than 130 mniles on 60 litres of petrol in my own car which produces a similar maximum power figure.
thinfourth2 said:
I don't know you tell me why the internal combustion engine is doomed
.. seems to be; doom & gloomers telling us that hydrocarbon fuels are running out allied to the fact that so much R&D effort towards electromotive propulsion rather than further development of non-fossil fuelled i/c engines and fuels... 
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