RE: Audi unveils its new S3
Discussion
Andy20vt said:
Do we really need a small hatchback with 4 x chromed and 'bling' exhaust outlets? It looks ridiculous, and what's wrong with just one or two exhausts? What ever will be next - 6 exhausts?
I like four exhausts, got four on the Z4M & TT-S! 
i must be a chav! 
One exhaust is pants imo my 520d looks garbage from the rear & with the power that has it could cope without one at all!! Even a Golf TDI gets two.
Good job we all like different things though.
SonicHedgeHog said:
I'm going to bow out of this now as I'm just repeating myself.
FWIW the new list price of an Impreza STI is £26,995.
Cheers
p.s. the S3 is mighty dull though, isn't it?
Yeah, now, because they weren't selling anything. This month last year they sold 573 cars to Audis 18,558, a 5.59% market share to Subarus 0.17%.FWIW the new list price of an Impreza STI is £26,995.
Cheers
p.s. the S3 is mighty dull though, isn't it?
SonicHedgeHog said:
I'm going to bow out of this now as I'm just repeating myself.
FWIW the new list price of an Impreza STI is £26,995.
Cheers
p.s. the S3 is mighty dull though, isn't it?
I'm not arguing, but where is this from? As the price I quoted earlier is from their own website and says £32,995:FWIW the new list price of an Impreza STI is £26,995.
Cheers
p.s. the S3 is mighty dull though, isn't it?
http://subaru.co.uk/vehicles/sti/sti-range/
Ah, I see so they were trying to sell them for £32,995 but it didn't work and they've dropped the price according to autocar:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/power-h...
After a bit more looking Autocar haven't read the small print:
Subaru website said:
Price shown is for a WRX STi 2.5 4dr saloon. Price is £26,995.00 for a delivery mileage only pre-registered vehicle. Normal On the Road Price £32,995.00 representing a saving of £6,000.00. Limited stock offer, while stocks last, at participating dealers only.
From here:http://subaru.co.uk/offers/sti/
As you say, S3 is incredibly dull however the Subaru is clearly at least as overpriced as the S3 as they're not selling unless there is another explanation for their 'offer'.
SonicHedgeHog said:
Waugh-terfall said:
I'm sorry, but have you seen the price of a new WRX STI recently..? Only just has it become £27k from £33k after a £6k price-cut. It was actually more expensive than the current 8P S3.
Well of course I have. Only a total idiot would compare the price of two cars without knowing the price of one of them. We're not comparing the Subaru with the outgoing S3. We're comparing it with the new one which is overpriced. If it's mentioned earlier in this thread then apologies for my laziness, but I really CBA reading through a dozen pages of mainly drivel.
Anyone tried drive the deal, you get about 4-5k off an S3 (well until production ceased on the current model), not quite as expensive as you first think compared to say a Vauxhall Astra Vxr at circa 27k.
I know what brand I would stick with, boring drive or not when spending this sort of money on a car
I know what brand I would stick with, boring drive or not when spending this sort of money on a car
The overpriced accusations are usually made by those that don't check what the actual discounted prices are. In saying that I would assume you can get a large discount on the Vauxhall as well.
But as an example on drivethedeal for the outgoing models.
Audi S3 Sportback: £28566
VW Golf GTI 5dr to a similar spec with 18" wheels, xenons and heated seats: £27246
So not a large difference for a similar specced car, and that's forgetting the extra power and Haldex awd. Add in the expected higher resale for the S3 and it may well work out cheaper if you run it for three years.
They don't list the Golf R, but I see Broadspeed advertising it for £28796, so again not much difference.
But as an example on drivethedeal for the outgoing models.
Audi S3 Sportback: £28566
VW Golf GTI 5dr to a similar spec with 18" wheels, xenons and heated seats: £27246
So not a large difference for a similar specced car, and that's forgetting the extra power and Haldex awd. Add in the expected higher resale for the S3 and it may well work out cheaper if you run it for three years.
They don't list the Golf R, but I see Broadspeed advertising it for £28796, so again not much difference.
Edited by Jellyfishfields on Tuesday 25th September 21:21
I have seen the Vxr with about 3k off just before it was launched. Still that would make it 24k for a car that depreciates like a stone.
Looking at various cars on pcp deals, the S3 is one of the better ones due to it holding money much better than even then VW's.
I personally would like a Golf R but I think they are way overpriced and they do not offer great finance deals
Looking at various cars on pcp deals, the S3 is one of the better ones due to it holding money much better than even then VW's.
I personally would like a Golf R but I think they are way overpriced and they do not offer great finance deals
SonicHedgeHog said:
I'm going to bow out of this now as I'm just repeating myself.
FWIW the new list price of an Impreza STI is £26,995.
Cheers
p.s. the S3 is mighty dull though, isn't it?
Again comparing it to an Impreza is silly. On face value they're fairly similar in terms of performance and general build, with the interior the most obvious difference.FWIW the new list price of an Impreza STI is £26,995.
Cheers
p.s. the S3 is mighty dull though, isn't it?
However look at how much new, expensive to develop tech is in the Audi verses the Subaru. The Subaru has a drivetrain and engine that dates back almost 20 years now with very little in the way of electronics or much thought put into economy or emissions. Next thing is safety kit. How much effort has Audi put into safety kit verses the Subaru and which performs better in a crash test?
Looking under the skin, I can bet you the Audi uses higher quality brakes, better quality suspension components (more cast aluminium parts verses pressed steel), better quality dampers, better and more expensive gearboxes and diffs, the latest manufacturing techniques of varying steel thicknesses, better rust proofing and paint quality etc etc the list goes on.
On face value the Subaru offers better bang for your buck, but in terms of tech it's probably 10 years behind the Audi, and has lower component quality which is why they can make it so cheap. It's full of tried and tested off the shelf bits that the premium manufacturers have spent their money developing 10 years before so therefore the Subaru ends up being a much cheaper car to develop so can be sold for cheaper.
Why do you think Hyundai's etc are so cheap when at face value they offer the same as any other car? They're full of cheap and simple (old) tech in a swoopy body, that's why.
Audi are probably overcharging somewhat I agree but not particularly on the base price, options yes. However Subaru's trump card is that they're a good bang for your buck, but don't expect the latest tech, because that costs money to develop that they don't have.
Out of interest how many of the differences you list would the owner of the Audi actually be aware of? Aside from the superior dashboard I would suggest none of them.
Personally I think the poor Subaru sales are the result of their cars being in the top road tax/income tax band, a lack of dealerships, a lack of a quality, high power diesel and trying to be a premium brand when that's not really what you're good at. And how many company car schemes would allow their employees to buy a Subaru?
I wasn't trying to talk up the Subaru. I was merely using it as a way of showing that every S3 sold will (let me change my wording) generate a huge amount of profit for Audi. That said, interior aside, the Impreza is quite a lot of car for the money after that £6k price cut.
Personally I think the poor Subaru sales are the result of their cars being in the top road tax/income tax band, a lack of dealerships, a lack of a quality, high power diesel and trying to be a premium brand when that's not really what you're good at. And how many company car schemes would allow their employees to buy a Subaru?
I wasn't trying to talk up the Subaru. I was merely using it as a way of showing that every S3 sold will (let me change my wording) generate a huge amount of profit for Audi. That said, interior aside, the Impreza is quite a lot of car for the money after that £6k price cut.
TerryCTR said:
I have seen the Vxr with about 3k off just before it was launched. Still that would make it 24k for a car that depreciates like a stone.
Looking at various cars on pcp deals, the S3 is one of the better ones due to it holding money much better than even then VW's.
I personally would like a Golf R but I think they are way overpriced and they do not offer great finance deals
It's funny - here in Australia the Golf R is only 10kAUD more expensive than a 5 door GTI. The S3 is 30k more expensive than a 5 door GTI. Looking at various cars on pcp deals, the S3 is one of the better ones due to it holding money much better than even then VW's.
I personally would like a Golf R but I think they are way overpriced and they do not offer great finance deals
I did the sums and to get a Golf GTI with Xenons, 18 inch wheels and a couple of other bits and bobs standard on the R was about the same price.
I didn't consider the S3 based on price.
I test drove the STI before purchasing the R, and a 135i (secondhand here) and a 370z and none of them offered the same blend of being practical, quick, comfortable, economical, tuneable and not a bad steer than the R. Some of them were better drivers car, granted. But as an overall balanced package, the R and the S3 took some beating.
SonicHedgeHog said:
Out of interest how many of the differences you list would the owner of the Audi actually be aware of? Aside from the superior dashboard I would suggest none of them.
Personally I think the poor Subaru sales are the result of their cars being in the top road tax/income tax band, a lack of dealerships, a lack of a quality, high power diesel and trying to be a premium brand when that's not really what you're good at. And how many company car schemes would allow their employees to buy a Subaru?
I wasn't trying to talk up the Subaru. I was merely using it as a way of showing that every S3 sold will (let me change my wording) generate a huge amount of profit for Audi. That said, interior aside, the Impreza is quite a lot of car for the money after that £6k price cut.
It's academic whether or not they know, the fact of the matter is that it's there. But what they do know is that they're driving a much more modern and technically advanced vehicle than the cheaper but old fashioned one trick pony Impreza.Personally I think the poor Subaru sales are the result of their cars being in the top road tax/income tax band, a lack of dealerships, a lack of a quality, high power diesel and trying to be a premium brand when that's not really what you're good at. And how many company car schemes would allow their employees to buy a Subaru?
I wasn't trying to talk up the Subaru. I was merely using it as a way of showing that every S3 sold will (let me change my wording) generate a huge amount of profit for Audi. That said, interior aside, the Impreza is quite a lot of car for the money after that £6k price cut.
If Audi make a good profit from selling their top line A3, then good on them. Means more tech development, variants, and potential for other interesting cars from them. Companies like Subaru who have been resting on their laurels since the original WRX and still have a poor market share could learn a lesson or three.
Comments on price are silly
A few points,
- it won't list for more than it does in Germany (so expect £31k)
- it will have nav, leather and xenons standard
- the majority will be sold on PCP/CH where the monthly prices are low due to the strong residuals
So to the muppets insisting you need to spend £10k on options and then £40k cash on the car, STFU.
A few points,
- it won't list for more than it does in Germany (so expect £31k)
- it will have nav, leather and xenons standard
- the majority will be sold on PCP/CH where the monthly prices are low due to the strong residuals
So to the muppets insisting you need to spend £10k on options and then £40k cash on the car, STFU.
SonicHedgeHog said:
Out of interest how many of the differences you list would the owner of the Audi actually be aware of? Aside from the superior dashboard I would suggest none of them.
Personally I think the poor Subaru sales are the result of their cars being in the top road tax/income tax band, a lack of dealerships, a lack of a quality, high power diesel and trying to be a premium brand when that's not really what you're good at. And how many company car schemes would allow their employees to buy a Subaru?
I wasn't trying to talk up the Subaru. I was merely using it as a way of showing that every S3 sold will (let me change my wording) generate a huge amount of profit for Audi. That said, interior aside, the Impreza is quite a lot of car for the money after that £6k price cut.
Poor subaru sales are due to a lot more than just being in the top tax band. Most of them are pig ugly for a start. Personally I think the poor Subaru sales are the result of their cars being in the top road tax/income tax band, a lack of dealerships, a lack of a quality, high power diesel and trying to be a premium brand when that's not really what you're good at. And how many company car schemes would allow their employees to buy a Subaru?
I wasn't trying to talk up the Subaru. I was merely using it as a way of showing that every S3 sold will (let me change my wording) generate a huge amount of profit for Audi. That said, interior aside, the Impreza is quite a lot of car for the money after that £6k price cut.
And there is no excuse for such dated interiors when spending £32k for a new car (ok they've now slashed the pice to £27k in a desperate attempt to shift some stock)
Consult the NCBS and you'll see that what the car looks like is still the No.1 factor for most people when buying a new car.
Obviously not true for the PH crowd but we are a minority let's not forget.
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