RE: BMW: don't drive your M5, M6
Discussion
ghibbett said:
I would imagine BMW were building a batch of Federal spec cars when the defect was brought to light.
I like the way the article says that BMW found it through routine quality inspections; their inspections obviously failed if these vehicles got out of the Plant!! More likely the Supplier realised there was an issue, flagged it to BMW, who then went into 'delivery stop' mode and started working out where all the affected vehicles were. Unfortunately some got out of the Plant, this would have then been raised up to the higher powers that be in conjunction with cost analysis of recall vs effect (and warranty cost) of multiple failures. And there we go: recall.
I imagine there's been a lot of overtime going on in Deutschland regarding this. Would have liked a piece of that action
Ooh you cynic. I like the way the article says that BMW found it through routine quality inspections; their inspections obviously failed if these vehicles got out of the Plant!! More likely the Supplier realised there was an issue, flagged it to BMW, who then went into 'delivery stop' mode and started working out where all the affected vehicles were. Unfortunately some got out of the Plant, this would have then been raised up to the higher powers that be in conjunction with cost analysis of recall vs effect (and warranty cost) of multiple failures. And there we go: recall.
I imagine there's been a lot of overtime going on in Deutschland regarding this. Would have liked a piece of that action
LotusAlfaV6bloke said:
Yep, put a rotary in there! Much more reliable and interesting 
Time for some cheeky payback on the Mazda RX8 thread recently where there was such outrage at unreliability in mass produced saloons - I seemed to recall the unfortunate owner was told by the PH Massive how much better life would be in a rusty old BMW?
So with the BMW's tearing out their boot floors cos they are not strong enough (recalled in US but not Europe from memory?), very slow action on the terrible car security issues in the press currently, auto boxes that are over-stressed from new, and those with longer memories still thinking "Nikasil"...
I have a BMW (worse car I have owned but have to keep it cos of the cash it has eaten), this is my silly way of taking away the pain for a bit
Deeply amusing post considering you have both Lotus and Alfa in your username. As we know, both manufacturer's cars are bombproof....Time for some cheeky payback on the Mazda RX8 thread recently where there was such outrage at unreliability in mass produced saloons
- I seemed to recall the unfortunate owner was told by the PH Massive how much better life would be in a rusty old BMW?So with the BMW's tearing out their boot floors cos they are not strong enough (recalled in US but not Europe from memory?), very slow action on the terrible car security issues in the press currently, auto boxes that are over-stressed from new, and those with longer memories still thinking "Nikasil"...
I have a BMW (worse car I have owned but have to keep it cos of the cash it has eaten), this is my silly way of taking away the pain for a bit
Bodhi - went from Alfa Romeos to BMW 2 years ago. Alfas were fun and reliable. My BMW is a rusting nightmare. Alfa did 120k and still had its original steering rack, front wings, wheel bearings, and no electrical gremlins. My 330i can claim none of the above for a lower age and much less miles. These are just the first things that pop into my head, the actual list is much longer. Please feel free to me tell if any of the failures I listed above are wrong or mis-remembered about BMW in the last decade of producing cars, and I will retract the post. But I think you know they aren't
I try all brands/manufacturers/engine types and configurations and are a fanboy to none. Rear wheel drive, front wheel drive, piston, rotary, saloon, two seater, Euro Box, Jap Import, I try a bit of everything. My Lotus is built of cheese, but it is from the time of glue and spit. It also didn't sell itself on the back of engineering excellence, like some German trash.
BMWs are (in my ownership experience) rubbish. Rusting, poorly made, very bad aftersales rubbish.
I try all brands/manufacturers/engine types and configurations and are a fanboy to none. Rear wheel drive, front wheel drive, piston, rotary, saloon, two seater, Euro Box, Jap Import, I try a bit of everything. My Lotus is built of cheese, but it is from the time of glue and spit. It also didn't sell itself on the back of engineering excellence, like some German trash.
BMWs are (in my ownership experience) rubbish. Rusting, poorly made, very bad aftersales rubbish.
Edited by LotusAlfaV6bloke on Monday 24th September 12:56
Edited by LotusAlfaV6bloke on Monday 24th September 13:08
LotusAlfaV6bloke said:
Bodhi - went from Alfa Romeos to BMW 2 years ago. Alfas were fun and reliable. My BMW is a rusting nightmare. Alfa did 120k and still had its original steering rack, front wings, wheel bearings, and no electrical gremlins. My 330i can claim none of the above for a lower age and much less miles. These are just the first things that pop into my head, the actual list is much longer. Please feel free to me tell if any of the failures I listed above are wrong or mis-remembered about BMW in the last decade of producing cars, and I will retract the post. But I think you know they aren't
I try all brands/manufacturers/engine types and ocnfigurations and are a fanboy to none. Rear wheel drive, front wheel drive, piston, rotary, saloon, two seater, Euro Box, Jap Import, I try a bit of everything. My Lotus is built of cheese, but it is from the time of glue and spit. It also didn't sell itself on the back of engineering excellence, like some German trash.
BMWs are (in my ownership experience) rubbish. Rusting, poorly made, very bad aftersales rubbish.
Wow, really? I try all brands/manufacturers/engine types and ocnfigurations and are a fanboy to none. Rear wheel drive, front wheel drive, piston, rotary, saloon, two seater, Euro Box, Jap Import, I try a bit of everything. My Lotus is built of cheese, but it is from the time of glue and spit. It also didn't sell itself on the back of engineering excellence, like some German trash.
BMWs are (in my ownership experience) rubbish. Rusting, poorly made, very bad aftersales rubbish.
Edited by LotusAlfaV6bloke on Monday 24th September 12:56
We can keep this light hearted I am sure
My colleague next to me right now would call us all lucky for not having the Merc he has! It is made from the material Fiat used in the 70s, even though it is about 10 years old...
To be clear - if I won one of these new BMWs I would be over joyed, dodgy oil pump or otherwise!
My colleague next to me right now would call us all lucky for not having the Merc he has! It is made from the material Fiat used in the 70s, even though it is about 10 years old...
To be clear - if I won one of these new BMWs I would be over joyed, dodgy oil pump or otherwise!
I would say "at least they've learn't from their mistakes with the E46 M3, done the proper thing and issued a recall".
However, as someone else commented, they will have simply sat in a board room and done a cost analysis on recall vs no recall and fix the issues as they come up.
Clearly they decided that a recall was the less expensive option...
However, as someone else commented, they will have simply sat in a board room and done a cost analysis on recall vs no recall and fix the issues as they come up.
Clearly they decided that a recall was the less expensive option...
Ian974 said:
russkyh said:
A BMW GB spokesman said the problem does not affect UK cars. ‘We have had no notice of such,’ they said.
Watch this space!
In much the same way there was apparently no issue with the security systems on them either until a week or so agoWatch this space!
But well done to them for rectifying the issue.. now where did i put my X5 with the key less entry........
If you check the various BMW specific forums, there is PLENTY of anecdotal evidence to suggest that a part or problem that is recalled in the US, wont necassarily be in Europe or the Dealer network even advised of the problem in the US.
They ride their luck in Europe and practice mainly denial for conflict resolution, far in excess of what they do in the US. Of that I am sure.
They ride their luck in Europe and practice mainly denial for conflict resolution, far in excess of what they do in the US. Of that I am sure.
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