RE: BMW: don't drive your M5, M6
Discussion
This doesn't surprise me one bit. BMW have been buying cheap ancillaries and components for years, anyone who bought a petrol engined car will testify to numerous coil, injection and fuel pump failures. You would've thought they had learn't the mistakes from Mercedes, but alas no, Accountants rule, engineers know nothing....
HighwayStar said:
ghibbett said:
I would imagine BMW were building a batch of Federal spec cars when the defect was brought to light.
I like the way the article says that BMW found it through routine quality inspections; their inspections obviously failed if these vehicles got out of the Plant!! More likely the Supplier realised there was an issue, flagged it to BMW, who then went into 'delivery stop' mode and started working out where all the affected vehicles were. Unfortunately some got out of the Plant, this would have then been raised up to the higher powers that be in conjunction with cost analysis of recall vs effect (and warranty cost) of multiple failures. And there we go: recall.
I imagine there's been a lot of overtime going on in Deutschland regarding this. Would have liked a piece of that action
I like the way the article says that BMW found it through routine quality inspections; their inspections obviously failed if these vehicles got out of the Plant!! More likely the Supplier realised there was an issue, flagged it to BMW, who then went into 'delivery stop' mode and started working out where all the affected vehicles were. Unfortunately some got out of the Plant, this would have then been raised up to the higher powers that be in conjunction with cost analysis of recall vs effect (and warranty cost) of multiple failures. And there we go: recall.
I imagine there's been a lot of overtime going on in Deutschland regarding this. Would have liked a piece of that action
If you have a look on Bimmerpost an American picking up is car on European Delivery, they fly over, take delivery of their car and drive it across Europe to the port where it is it is shipped from to the US. On this trip the pump failed on his M5 and engine went pop. BMW traced the cause to the fuel pump and hence the recall.
So nothing to do with the supplied giving BMW the heads up at all.
V12 Migaloo said:
This doesn't surprise me one bit. BMW have been buying cheap ancillaries and components for years, anyone who bought a petrol engined car will testify to numerous coil, injection and fuel pump failures. You would've thought they had learn't the mistakes from Mercedes, but alas no, Accountants rule, engineers know nothing....
Sad but trueghibbett said:
HighwayStar said:
ghibbett said:
I would imagine BMW were building a batch of Federal spec cars when the defect was brought to light.
I like the way the article says that BMW found it through routine quality inspections; their inspections obviously failed if these vehicles got out of the Plant!! More likely the Supplier realised there was an issue, flagged it to BMW, who then went into 'delivery stop' mode and started working out where all the affected vehicles were. Unfortunately some got out of the Plant, this would have then been raised up to the higher powers that be in conjunction with cost analysis of recall vs effect (and warranty cost) of multiple failures. And there we go: recall.
I imagine there's been a lot of overtime going on in Deutschland regarding this. Would have liked a piece of that action
I like the way the article says that BMW found it through routine quality inspections; their inspections obviously failed if these vehicles got out of the Plant!! More likely the Supplier realised there was an issue, flagged it to BMW, who then went into 'delivery stop' mode and started working out where all the affected vehicles were. Unfortunately some got out of the Plant, this would have then been raised up to the higher powers that be in conjunction with cost analysis of recall vs effect (and warranty cost) of multiple failures. And there we go: recall.
I imagine there's been a lot of overtime going on in Deutschland regarding this. Would have liked a piece of that action
If you have a look on Bimmerpost an American picking up is car on European Delivery, they fly over, take delivery of their car and drive it across Europe to the port where it is it is shipped from to the US. On this trip the pump failed on his M5 and engine went pop. BMW traced the cause to the fuel pump and hence the recall.
So nothing to do with the supplied giving BMW the heads up at all.
Anyway, read for yourself.... I didn't make it up, the guy I question is BarryB, read the whole thing or page 6.
http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7481...
V12 Migaloo said:
This doesn't surprise me one bit. BMW have been buying cheap ancillaries and components for years, anyone who bought a petrol engined car will testify to numerous coil, injection and fuel pump failures. You would've thought they had learn't the mistakes from Mercedes, but alas no, Accountants rule, engineers know nothing....
ALL mainstream automotive manufacturers will design every pence out of a component that they can get away with, same goes for buying too. It's the only way they can stay competitive in today's markets.Many manufactures have re-calls, no automotive organisation wants them since they tend to be very, very expensive. This BMW recall doesn't surprise me one bit as it's common across the automotive industry.
Coil failures are common btw.
V12 Migaloo said:
This doesn't surprise me one bit. BMW have been buying cheap ancillaries and components for years, anyone who bought a petrol engined car will testify to numerous coil, injection and fuel pump failures. You would've thought they had learn't the mistakes from Mercedes, but alas no, Accountants rule, engineers know nothing....
Bang on. Had a 2003 520i Touring with the 2.2L M54 Straight Six. An incredibly reliable and resialliant engine......that could be entirely destroyed by sucking in a simple plastic flap for the DISA valve (Varaiable length intake). DISA failures almost guaranteed.Makes you wonder how so many VANOS units have gone up the creek whilst Honda VTECS are generally bulletproof!
Awesomly crafted mechanicals with ancillaries from the cheapest source = fail
hedges88 said:
Bang on. Had a 2003 520i Touring with the 2.2L M54 Straight Six. An incredibly reliable and resialliant engine......that could be entirely destroyed by sucking in a simple plastic flap for the DISA valve (Varaiable length intake). DISA failures almost guaranteed.
Makes you wonder how so many VANOS units have gone up the creek whilst Honda VTECS are generally bulletproof!
Awesomly crafted mechanicals with ancillaries from the cheapest source = fail
A) Built in obsolescence. Everyone does it from car designs to phones.Makes you wonder how so many VANOS units have gone up the creek whilst Honda VTECS are generally bulletproof!
Awesomly crafted mechanicals with ancillaries from the cheapest source = fail
B) VANOS is generally very reliable if oil services are kept up to date. I'm aware of several galactic mileage BMW's that have had no VANOS problems at all.
Remember, it's all about the pennies.
Edited by BeirutTaxi on Monday 24th September 22:12
Edited by BeirutTaxi on Monday 24th September 22:12
LotusAlfaV6bloke said:
Yep, my pain was with the M54 lump too.
On the subject of VANOS, my seals were ok but the helical gears became noisy/rattley in the end. And no, not because of cheap oil/no oil/ wrong oil.
My pain that made me part with the car was the tranmission limp home light. BMW wanted to charde me hundreds to replace the ATF fluid. You know the transmission fluid that is sealed for eternity and magically lasts forever?On the subject of VANOS, my seals were ok but the helical gears became noisy/rattley in the end. And no, not because of cheap oil/no oil/ wrong oil.
There's a balance. Obviously you need to make money but (a la Mercedes) if your reputation is based on reliability, you can shoot yourself in the foot by raping your own rep., using substandard build / parts.
BMW is dancing a few degrees over the line of 'acceptable failure', at present.
BMW is dancing a few degrees over the line of 'acceptable failure', at present.
hedges88 said:
My pain that made me part with the car was the tranmission limp home light. BMW wanted to charde me hundreds to replace the ATF fluid. You know the transmission fluid that is sealed for eternity and magically lasts forever?
It is sort of sealed for life. In the same way I passed a Vauxhall dealer the other day and saw one of their models wearing a banner stating something like "100 000 Miles lifetime warranty!"The goal is not to have you keeping a car for over 7 years. What's the point in servicing the gearbox when the new replacement model of whatever car is just about to be released anyway for you to buy?
I'm not directing this at BMW, everyone does it and to be honest my experience of BMW is that the build quality is pretty good and far beyond the standard that they actually need to build a car to.
Edited by BeirutTaxi on Tuesday 25th September 09:59
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