RE: Europe's most (and least) reliable used cars

[GTIR]

Bladedancer said:

Waugh-terfall said:

Bladedancer said:

Waugh-terfall said:

No.

GTIR has a 2007 E220 CDI Avantgarde, 415,000mi and counting, fast.

How many times injectors, DMF and fuel pump have been changed on it?

I don't think he's had any real issues with it.

That's as lucky as it gets.
A common rail diesel without any problems over 150k mark.
Many have trouble reaching 100k without one of the usual suspects going bang.

Nothing to do with luck, that's why the E class was top.
Only issues are suspension, as noted in that report, but to be honest apart from springs and arms which you would expect, I have not had any issues.

I know of many E class (06 on) that have had no issues with injectors and have very high mileage so I am not sure where you get your info from.

The only problems I have had (2.1 engine) is the injector seals go, but that has nothing to do with the injector itself.



Roll on 500k

[Mouse1903]

MarkRSi said:

I hope the new mk3 Megane is much better (is it too new to appear on that list?) cos I'm seriously considering one (265/250 Cup) as my next car

Same here, but stories I've heard is that the new Megane is quite reliable

[Fox-]

GTIR said:

Nothing to do with luck, that's why the E class was top.

So why was the CLS - with the same engines - bottom?

[Waugh-terfall]

Fox- said:

GTIR said:

Nothing to do with luck, that's why the E class was top.

So why was the CLS - with the same engines - bottom?

...because the CLS didn't use the 2.1, smallest diesel was the '350' 3.0 V6.

[infradig]

Waugh-terfall said:

Fox- said:

GTIR said:

Nothing to do with luck, that's why the E class was top.

So why was the CLS - with the same engines - bottom?

...because the CLS didn't use the 2.1, smallest diesel was the '350' 3.0 V6.

Also more CLS's with air suspension?

[Vantagefan]

Of the top 5 I'd certaonly choose the Smart four two. Not for style or efficieny but I'd rather that when something went wrong it only be my heating and cooling than my suspension.

[P2BS]

blindswelledrat said:

Very interesting (if true)
Call me cynical but a German test showing suprise German winners in 4 of 5 group tests makes me a touch suspicious

The Germans treat a Ford Ka as domestic. The old Ford ethos of 'build a factory in a country so every customer thinks they're buying a domestic product' rings true there too.
All I'll say on the subject is cars cost more there, and the Germans (being a process-driven lot) will generally have their nicer cars serviced at a main dealer - even when it's out of guarantee. Add more disposable income than most of their neighbours, and it doesn't surprise me one bit that a Porsche 996 consistently shows up least faults at test time.

[Bladedancer]

GTIR said:

Bladedancer said:

Waugh-terfall said:

Bladedancer said:

Waugh-terfall said:

No.

GTIR has a 2007 E220 CDI Avantgarde, 415,000mi and counting, fast.

How many times injectors, DMF and fuel pump have been changed on it?

I don't think he's had any real issues with it.

That's as lucky as it gets.
A common rail diesel without any problems over 150k mark.
Many have trouble reaching 100k without one of the usual suspects going bang.

Nothing to do with luck, that's why the E class was top.
Only issues are suspension, as noted in that report, but to be honest apart from springs and arms which you would expect, I have not had any issues.

I know of many E class (06 on) that have had no issues with injectors and have very high mileage so I am not sure where you get your info from.

The only problems I have had (2.1 engine) is the injector seals go, but that has nothing to do with the injector itself.



Roll on 500k

I don't remember ever seeing a Common Rail system where injectors lasted that long.
It a high pressure, highly stressed system and they just go and become a consumable that you have to change every 150k or so, give or take.
I'm not talking just German here, but across the board.

[bqf]

The last two cars that have left me needing recovery have both been E Class W211 Mercedes.

I had an E270 CDi that I used for long motorways trips between Kent and Newcastle - at around the 100,000 mile mark the front springs went bang (within an hour of each other) and I had to be recovered from North Yorkshire to kent. On a very wet and cold Thursday evening.

I replaced that with an E55 AMG W211, which I used to commute into Canary Wharf. The car cut out while queue for the Blackwall tunnel in the outside lane of the A102 - the traffic cleared around me and I was very nearly rear-ended at high speed by a van Turned out the fault was a broken fuel pump relay, costing £3.50 to fix

Both stupid faults, but they left me stranded. The only other car to strand me was a Freelander, and the 1.8 K Series head gasket went taking the engine to Valhalla.

In my experience, E-classes are 100% likely to strand you during ownership

[zebedee]

are front springs on those a common feature then? I knocked on a neighbours door the other day having saw his sat on the road outside and thinking either he is going for the dramatically lowered look, one corner at a time, or he has a problem!

[Bladedancer]

Merc E class reliable again?
How times changed.