RE: 'GT 86 is reliable' shock
Discussion
As impressive as it was seeing the 'works' Toyota come home 8th, I was far more impressed with the Rollcentre Racing car finishing 10th, having started last and lapping much quicker in the rain than the Team GB car. The drive to the circuit was the car's shakedown, being bought from a dealer and stripped and prepared in a matter of weeks. Moreover, the Rollcentre car had the engine from a donor BRZ dropped in the day before the race after the (huge) brake kit caused oil starvation problems, which killed the original engine after only 10 laps. A car more worthy of mention than the Team GB car, even though it both proves and disproves the reliability of the GT86.
Zed Ed said:
Lol, bit worried now; my brz has been with one of Rollcentre's technical partners since Friday.
Would love to see a Subaru entry; maybe they will run one in VLN , next to the factory impreza.
If you read DSC's write up, the car wouldnt fire up after the engine swap, the immobilizer has a hissy fit and locked out.Would love to see a Subaru entry; maybe they will run one in VLN , next to the factory impreza.
They replaced something like 5 or 6 ecu's (with Subaru ones) till it fired up. Apparently Toyota were less than helpful, I guess they didnt want someone rocking up and beating them.
Out of a field of 35 cars something like 15 finished? Not a fantastic figure for a 24hr..
I'm Rick james said:
Any ideas where I can get the results for this? Have done a quick search online but can only find results for 2011.
Thanks
Rj
They are in this big PDF file:Thanks
Rj
http://www.tsl-timing.com/eerc/2012/123863b24.pdf
Page 49
There's a link to TSL on the Britcar website that takes you to this file.
Saw my 1st GT86 on the road last week and was stunning (Guildford area) yes people have complained about the horse power or lack of, but I am sure their are plenty of aftermarket extras to increase bhp if required.
I owned a 91H celica pop up headlight version with 150hp ish, managed 248500miles before it wnet wrong badly, 4ws import version that handled great and plenty of power once moving.
Toyota/subaru built car, we should expect it to be super reliable,after all it not German or Italian.
I owned a 91H celica pop up headlight version with 150hp ish, managed 248500miles before it wnet wrong badly, 4ws import version that handled great and plenty of power once moving.
Toyota/subaru built car, we should expect it to be super reliable,after all it not German or Italian.
It would be helpful to the forum to raise a few 'Mute' points which clarify the opinions raised here by Renesis. Firstly, Class 4 in Britcar is meant to be a 'production' class. This permits road spec cars to be prepared for racing in endurance - where does it say that an LMP2 Aero Package is permitted/stock - on a newly available road car... This class was dominated by cars far more tuned and modded than their 'Production' reality. This according to the series Boss James Tucker is set to change. The Rollcentre cars aero both on and below their car yielded benefits in the wet conditions but in the dry and night running - was in every instance seconds a lap slower. It is also my understanding that the ECU and Exhaust system had been 'Max Powered' unlike the works car which was retained as stock to highlight the performance and reliability of the GT86 as available to the public. Furthermore, the Rollcentre car was not prepared properly for 'Slick Forces' on both the sump and cooling system- this and the 'Modding' led to multiple issues pre-race. Toyota had assistance in place seemingly, but Rollcentre decided to fit a 'Square Peg' in a round hole. One must walk before you run as they say...
RenesisEvo said:
As impressive as it was seeing the 'works' Toyota come home 8th, I was far more impressed with the Rollcentre Racing car finishing 10th, having started last and lapping much quicker in the rain than the Team GB car. The drive to the circuit was the car's shakedown, being bought from a dealer and stripped and prepared in a matter of weeks. Moreover, the Rollcentre car had the engine from a donor BRZ dropped in the day before the race after the (huge) brake kit caused oil starvation problems, which killed the original engine after only 10 laps. A car more worthy of mention than the Team GB car, even though it both proves and disproves the reliability of the GT86.
loladad said:
It would be helpful to the forum to raise a few 'Mute' points which clarify the opinions raised here by Renesis. Firstly, Class 4 in Britcar is meant to be a 'production' class. This permits road spec cars to be prepared for racing in endurance - where does it say that an LMP2 Aero Package is permitted/stock - on a newly available road car... This class was dominated by cars far more tuned and modded than their 'Production' reality. This according to the series Boss James Tucker is set to change. The Rollcentre cars aero both on and below their car yielded benefits in the wet conditions but in the dry and night running - was in every instance seconds a lap slower. It is also my understanding that the ECU and Exhaust system had been 'Max Powered' unlike the works car which was retained as stock to highlight the performance and reliability of the GT86 as available to the public. Furthermore, the Rollcentre car was not prepared properly for 'Slick Forces' on both the sump and cooling system- this and the 'Modding' led to multiple issues pre-race. Toyota had assistance in place seemingly, but Rollcentre decided to fit a 'Square Peg' in a round hole. One must walk before you run as they say...
Interesting - I can't say I studied the rules in detail, so thanks for the clarification. I must admit I was surprised to see such a large wing on the Rollcentre car. I assumed the [aero] additions were because a) they could, and b) they had no reason not to. Everyone else ran big aero parts as you said - one might say it was foolish of Toyota not to, but evidently the effort was about marketing, not outright pace. Either way, it would be good IMO to see rules only permitting big aero kits in Class 3 and up; in my mind 'production' should mean just cage + slicks, and a fruity exhaust (but not too loud..!)Going to the effort of putting swan-neck pillars ('LMP2' style) on the Rollcentre car seems pointless but it could well be it was simply something they had lying around spare, and bolted it on, given the tiny timeframe the whole thing was put together. Evidently the Toyota team had the time and money to resolve the more fundamental issues such as oil surge, but resolving those issues would have taken the car further from stock than the car might otherwise appear to the casual observer.
I initially accredited its wet pace to Short's experience over any downforce, but now I'm not so sure. I guess we'll never know.
'Bolt On' - a modern day venacular that we have all got used to - unfortunately, when applied to a race car without testing and basic common sense usually leads to s
t against fan... The sump baffling and coolant issues overlooked in Short Rounds car, are no percieved advantage, its basic racecar engineering when putting a car under load with slicks.... The Toyota team GB only got their car late July early August and it was turned around in a similar timeframe as the Rollcentre Jobbie. The wise chaps on this forum, allied with those who appreciate racing in all it's permeatations, are 'no casual observers'................
t against fan... The sump baffling and coolant issues overlooked in Short Rounds car, are no percieved advantage, its basic racecar engineering when putting a car under load with slicks.... The Toyota team GB only got their car late July early August and it was turned around in a similar timeframe as the Rollcentre Jobbie. The wise chaps on this forum, allied with those who appreciate racing in all it's permeatations, are 'no casual observers'................ RenesisEvo said:
Interesting - I can't say I studied the rules in detail, so thanks for the clarification. I must admit I was surprised to see such a large wing on the Rollcentre car. I assumed the [aero] additions were because a) they could, and b) they had no reason not to. Everyone else ran big aero parts as you said - one might say it was foolish of Toyota not to, but evidently the effort was about marketing, not outright pace. Either way, it would be good IMO to see rules only permitting big aero kits in Class 3 and up; in my mind 'production' should mean just cage + slicks, and a fruity exhaust (but not too loud..!)
Going to the effort of putting swan-neck pillars ('LMP2' style) on the Rollcentre car seems pointless but it could well be it was simply something they had lying around spare, and bolted it on, given the tiny timeframe the whole thing was put together. Evidently the Toyota team had the time and money to resolve the more fundamental issues such as oil surge, but resolving those issues would have taken the car further from stock than the car might otherwise appear to the casual observer.
I initially accredited its wet pace to Short's experience over any downforce, but now I'm not so sure. I guess we'll never know.
Going to the effort of putting swan-neck pillars ('LMP2' style) on the Rollcentre car seems pointless but it could well be it was simply something they had lying around spare, and bolted it on, given the tiny timeframe the whole thing was put together. Evidently the Toyota team had the time and money to resolve the more fundamental issues such as oil surge, but resolving those issues would have taken the car further from stock than the car might otherwise appear to the casual observer.
I initially accredited its wet pace to Short's experience over any downforce, but now I'm not so sure. I guess we'll never know.
Loladad, I appreciate you obviously have a vested interest in championing the Toyota GB effort, but Shorty has had a lot of success over the years with many different cars and is certainly not a fool when it coes to developing cars.
With regard to the aero, well if the rules allow it you might as well do it. Although I reckon he probably had a bit too much DF considering they're basically road cars.
With regard to the aero, well if the rules allow it you might as well do it. Although I reckon he probably had a bit too much DF considering they're basically road cars.
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