RE: Peugeot 208 GTi Limited Edition
Discussion
thejudderman said:
With Hondas Type R brand and Renaults Cup packs being watered down with every new model(in my opinion), it would have been nice to see Peugeot step into that apparent void.
Plus, french cars keeping things simple is a used buyers dream isn't it; less stuff to fix!
That's mainly happening because lots of people talk the talk about wanting light, simple cars, but those buying new clearly don't actually want that at all. The void exists because only a handful of people would actually buy into it. Renaultsport actually went the other way and re-introduced the Gordini name for a 'luxury' version of the RS Clio, because so many options were being ticked on standard RS'.Plus, french cars keeping things simple is a used buyers dream isn't it; less stuff to fix!
Many people in the UK seem to think a car not having AC is not worthy of being called a car, full stop. Despite the fact that there are probably a couple of weeks at best when it would actually be quite nice to have (for the record, in 13 years of driving I've never used AC in any car I've owned/driven).
I wonder if they'll let that chap who spent £250k on Peugeots drive one for the weekend... 
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HighwayStar said:
CDP said:
I like the 208 but it's not 20 grands worth. More like 15.
Why? Make it £15,000 with solid paint and no gadgets and they'll sell loads.
It's also 2K more than the already highly priced Mini Cooper S.
eein said:
Releasing before the 'main' GTI... hmmmm.... sounds like a prototype batch to me. get all the niggles and oddities out the way and just claim they were for the special edition. It's a bit like Peugeot are trying to do a Ferrari FXX approach.
Not gonna learn much from 29 cars, small sample with the standard production cars following shortly after... ???E500 TAT said:
CDP said:
I like the 208 but it's not 20 grands worth. More like 15.
Me too.Suzuki have b*gger all in the way of (car) sporting heritage but it hasn't stopped their success.
CDP said:
HighwayStar said:
CDP said:
I like the 208 but it's not 20 grands worth. More like 15.
Why? Make it £15,000 with solid paint and no gadgets and they'll sell loads.
It's also 2K more than the already highly priced Mini Cooper S.
The Clio RS200 Cup, which can be had stripped is around 17-18k.
So pulling figures out if the air doesn't make it right. We all want of pay as little as possible and no one pays the list price but there is a business behind the product and profit is part of it. They're not going to give it away.
CDP said:
Well the 208 three door range starts at £9995. Admittedly there's more kit on the GTI but I doubt it costs Peugeot more than a couple of thousand, if that. A turbo, bigger wheels and a slightly nicer interior shouldn't double the price.
Make it £15,000 with solid paint and no gadgets and they'll sell loads.
It's also 2K more than the already highly priced Mini Cooper S.
I'd be more inclined to say that the sum of it's parts would point you towards the £20,500 price tag. Sadly though, when I did look at the specs (197bhp and 1160kgs according to Evo), it still looks quite expensive.Make it £15,000 with solid paint and no gadgets and they'll sell loads.
It's also 2K more than the already highly priced Mini Cooper S.
LuS1fer said:
I paid £16k for a pre-reg CTR in 2004 so i don't think £16k for this is unreasonable. However, I would still probably buy a Suzuki Swift Sport which underlines that you don't need to "rescue" an increasingly historic sporting heritage, you just need a good, fun car.
Suzuki have b*gger all in the way of (car) sporting heritage but it hasn't stopped their success.
Indeed, Ignis Sport was always promoted with it's junior rallying links but the Swift Sport was not and it was still a success.Suzuki have b*gger all in the way of (car) sporting heritage but it hasn't stopped their success.
ukaskew said:
thejudderman said:
With Hondas Type R brand and Renaults Cup packs being watered down with every new model(in my opinion), it would have been nice to see Peugeot step into that apparent void.
Plus, french cars keeping things simple is a used buyers dream isn't it; less stuff to fix!
That's mainly happening because lots of people talk the talk about wanting light, simple cars, but those buying new clearly don't actually want that at all. The void exists because only a handful of people would actually buy into it. Renaultsport actually went the other way and re-introduced the Gordini name for a 'luxury' version of the RS Clio, because so many options were being ticked on standard RS'.Plus, french cars keeping things simple is a used buyers dream isn't it; less stuff to fix!
Many people in the UK seem to think a car not having AC is not worthy of being called a car, full stop. Despite the fact that there are probably a couple of weeks at best when it would actually be quite nice to have (for the record, in 13 years of driving I've never used AC in any car I've owned/driven).
I remember a time (and I and my parents still do this, as do a lot of people who are considered null and void by marketing) when people would buy a car and spec it for them. They'd choose the options they wanted, deselect the ones they didn't and choose the colour and trim they personally found so appealing.
The reason for this was because they bought it with the intention of keeping it until it fell apart. They'd have it for ten-odd years, so spending £10k+ made sense as it worked out as less than a grand per year, and the notion was that the car would 'pay for itself.'
Nowadays, since marketeers became fascists, people have been led to believe that a car without a warranty is a timebomb with wheels, and that unless they have the newest car they can possibly lay their hands on, it's the moral equivalent of beating their children to death with a rusty girder. As a result, they feel the need to constantly change cars, swapping every couple of years. Also, when they've been persuaded to buy a 'premium brand' car for £25k when they can only really afford £10k, they want to get at least £15k back when they trade in.
Because of this, people buy cars they don't actually want. I don't believe for one minute that the average buyer finds even half the electronics in their car useful or necessary. I don't think anyone really wants oversized alloys and low-profile tyres with their sports suspension - they're just told to buy it because it looks better in the showroom come resale time. Also, I don't believe the majority of people out there want to drive a car that's silver or grey with an all-black coal-hole interior.
Back when people bought cars to keep, the roads were a lot more colourful and people bought a wider variety of cars from a broader range of manufacturers who actually asked people what they wanted.
The current situation merely mirrors the financial misguidedness that has brought the Western world's economy to its knees.
iggysport said:
Peugeot have already pretty much said they are not going for hardcore petrol heads type who go for Renaultsports so why are they charging over £20k?!?!? madness.
Sounds like it's going to be a car for posers and not people who like driving.
Yes they did say they were stopping short of the hardcore RenaultSports Clio which is said but it doesn't mean all is lost. There is only a small market for cars as focused as the RenaultSport products... How many do you see on the road? Even Renault do them in 2 favours. The Golf GTi isn't as hardcore as the Megan Cup but it sells on the basis of being an all rounder. The 208 isn't going to be built like a Polo but, and it's a big BUT, if the handle is between a Clio and much better than a Polo... where Ford would be if you like, then that would be a good start. On a par with, or behind a Polo and Peugeot are in big sh!t. IMOSounds like it's going to be a car for posers and not people who like driving.
Twincam16 said:
I do wonder whether the notion of 'must-have options' and loading cars with kit has more to do with the idiotic way in which many cars in the UK are bought these days.
I remember a time (and I and my parents still do this, as do a lot of people who are considered null and void by marketing) when people would buy a car and spec it for them. They'd choose the options they wanted, deselect the ones they didn't and choose the colour and trim they personally found so appealing.
The reason for this was because they bought it with the intention of keeping it until it fell apart. They'd have it for ten-odd years, so spending £10k+ made sense as it worked out as less than a grand per year, and the notion was that the car would 'pay for itself.'
Nowadays, since marketeers became fascists, people have been led to believe that a car without a warranty is a timebomb with wheels, and that unless they have the newest car they can possibly lay their hands on, it's the moral equivalent of beating their children to death with a rusty girder. As a result, they feel the need to constantly change cars, swapping every couple of years. Also, when they've been persuaded to buy a 'premium brand' car for £25k when they can only really afford £10k, they want to get at least £15k back when they trade in.
Because of this, people buy cars they don't actually want. I don't believe for one minute that the average buyer finds even half the electronics in their car useful or necessary. I don't think anyone really wants oversized alloys and low-profile tyres with their sports suspension - they're just told to buy it because it looks better in the showroom come resale time. Also, I don't believe the majority of people out there want to drive a car that's silver or grey with an all-black coal-hole interior.
Back when people bought cars to keep, the roads were a lot more colourful and people bought a wider variety of cars from a broader range of manufacturers who actually asked people what they wanted.
The current situation merely mirrors the financial misguidedness that has brought the Western world's economy to its knees.
This man? He speaks sense. I remember a time (and I and my parents still do this, as do a lot of people who are considered null and void by marketing) when people would buy a car and spec it for them. They'd choose the options they wanted, deselect the ones they didn't and choose the colour and trim they personally found so appealing.
The reason for this was because they bought it with the intention of keeping it until it fell apart. They'd have it for ten-odd years, so spending £10k+ made sense as it worked out as less than a grand per year, and the notion was that the car would 'pay for itself.'
Nowadays, since marketeers became fascists, people have been led to believe that a car without a warranty is a timebomb with wheels, and that unless they have the newest car they can possibly lay their hands on, it's the moral equivalent of beating their children to death with a rusty girder. As a result, they feel the need to constantly change cars, swapping every couple of years. Also, when they've been persuaded to buy a 'premium brand' car for £25k when they can only really afford £10k, they want to get at least £15k back when they trade in.
Because of this, people buy cars they don't actually want. I don't believe for one minute that the average buyer finds even half the electronics in their car useful or necessary. I don't think anyone really wants oversized alloys and low-profile tyres with their sports suspension - they're just told to buy it because it looks better in the showroom come resale time. Also, I don't believe the majority of people out there want to drive a car that's silver or grey with an all-black coal-hole interior.
Back when people bought cars to keep, the roads were a lot more colourful and people bought a wider variety of cars from a broader range of manufacturers who actually asked people what they wanted.
The current situation merely mirrors the financial misguidedness that has brought the Western world's economy to its knees.
MX5_SDV said:
Love this, looks brilliant! do you have a build thread?
http://forum.205gtidrivers.com/index.php?showtopic=112908&st=0Think you can read that without being a member of the forum. Be warned.. its quite a long read, as it was rebuilt, put through a hedge then rebuilt again lol
RoadToNowhere said:
Twincam16 said:
I do wonder whether the notion of 'must-have options' and loading cars with kit has more to do with the idiotic way in which many cars in the UK are bought these days.
I remember a time (and I and my parents still do this, as do a lot of people who are considered null and void by marketing) when people would buy a car and spec it for them. They'd choose the options they wanted, deselect the ones they didn't and choose the colour and trim they personally found so appealing.
The reason for this was because they bought it with the intention of keeping it until it fell apart. They'd have it for ten-odd years, so spending £10k+ made sense as it worked out as less than a grand per year, and the notion was that the car would 'pay for itself.'
Nowadays, since marketeers became fascists, people have been led to believe that a car without a warranty is a timebomb with wheels, and that unless they have the newest car they can possibly lay their hands on, it's the moral equivalent of beating their children to death with a rusty girder. As a result, they feel the need to constantly change cars, swapping every couple of years. Also, when they've been persuaded to buy a 'premium brand' car for £25k when they can only really afford £10k, they want to get at least £15k back when they trade in.
Because of this, people buy cars they don't actually want. I don't believe for one minute that the average buyer finds even half the electronics in their car useful or necessary. I don't think anyone really wants oversized alloys and low-profile tyres with their sports suspension - they're just told to buy it because it looks better in the showroom come resale time. Also, I don't believe the majority of people out there want to drive a car that's silver or grey with an all-black coal-hole interior.
Back when people bought cars to keep, the roads were a lot more colourful and people bought a wider variety of cars from a broader range of manufacturers who actually asked people what they wanted.
The current situation merely mirrors the financial misguidedness that has brought the Western world's economy to its knees.
This man? He speaks sense. I remember a time (and I and my parents still do this, as do a lot of people who are considered null and void by marketing) when people would buy a car and spec it for them. They'd choose the options they wanted, deselect the ones they didn't and choose the colour and trim they personally found so appealing.
The reason for this was because they bought it with the intention of keeping it until it fell apart. They'd have it for ten-odd years, so spending £10k+ made sense as it worked out as less than a grand per year, and the notion was that the car would 'pay for itself.'
Nowadays, since marketeers became fascists, people have been led to believe that a car without a warranty is a timebomb with wheels, and that unless they have the newest car they can possibly lay their hands on, it's the moral equivalent of beating their children to death with a rusty girder. As a result, they feel the need to constantly change cars, swapping every couple of years. Also, when they've been persuaded to buy a 'premium brand' car for £25k when they can only really afford £10k, they want to get at least £15k back when they trade in.
Because of this, people buy cars they don't actually want. I don't believe for one minute that the average buyer finds even half the electronics in their car useful or necessary. I don't think anyone really wants oversized alloys and low-profile tyres with their sports suspension - they're just told to buy it because it looks better in the showroom come resale time. Also, I don't believe the majority of people out there want to drive a car that's silver or grey with an all-black coal-hole interior.
Back when people bought cars to keep, the roads were a lot more colourful and people bought a wider variety of cars from a broader range of manufacturers who actually asked people what they wanted.
The current situation merely mirrors the financial misguidedness that has brought the Western world's economy to its knees.
Look at the European cars that are bucking the trend and selling well - Mini, 500, DS, Mito, Fiesta, A1, Soul, Beetle, and no doubt the Adam once it gets going. The name of the game in the European growth sector is personalisation. Customers are being encouraged to spec their cars as wildly as they'd like, with the aim of forming an emotional bond with the car, that sense of it being unique in the way that Aston Martins are when they're specified by their first owner. It's about creating long-term ownership and with it, brand loyalty. They don't want you to throw your car away any more, they want you to keep it, and they'll help you customise it, service it indefinitely (look at Vauxhall's lifetime warranty offer, for example, and Fiat now offer 7 years on some cars) and generally cherish it.
Because the thing is, that resale-buying ethic only really favours an ever-smaller pool of cars, and once a manufacturer realises it isn't in it, it's screwed - so it does the opposite thing. I find the sight of things like bright yellow Fiat 500s really rather refreshing because of this - it looks like that because the owner wanted it to, rather than the salesman who sold it.
Apparently the 208 will be offered with similar personalisation options. I also reckon VW could turn Seat around if they explored similar design and personalisation trends.
Also, look at what young people are buying. They're getting cars like these if they're buying new. They've had enough of the resale-routine and they don't have the money to get into that particular scrum anyway. See what the youth is doing and you'll see the way the market is going in the future.
Because with the rise of Korea, this is the kind of car Europe will need to produce. Get used to it.
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