RE: Paris 2012: F-Type, full details
Discussion
kith said:
£58,500 for the base model with 18s, cloth seats, no SatNav?? They've got to be kidding! These will be £65k on the road, I think they've seriously misjudged the market.
A Boxster isn't that far off once you have added the basic Porsche options like a steering wheel and seats. 
I'll be going against the grain by saying I find this an utterly uninspiring effort from Jag. Part Maserati, part Nissan, part Spyker... If this is a natural successor of the E-type its a FAIL.... it's not substantially different from anything else out in the market techinically, atheistically its uninspiring and its certainly not inexpensive for what it is. If it was 40K new, then it would cause a few raised eyebrows in Germany, Japan, and Italy, but as it stands big opportunity missed.
Fantastic Rear End 
Interesting comparison with another aluminium chassis/panelled car
and if I remember rightly BMW only use to knock out ten Z8’s per week!
So well done Jaguar on designing and building a fantastic looking car with the performance to match
p.s. hopefully the V6 ‘without’ the Electronic Diff will weigh in significantly lighter.
Interesting comparison with another aluminium chassis/panelled car
and if I remember rightly BMW only use to knock out ten Z8’s per week!
So well done Jaguar on designing and building a fantastic looking car with the performance to match
p.s. hopefully the V6 ‘without’ the Electronic Diff will weigh in significantly lighter.
I work for them, but absolutely not bias at all. It is sensational, on every level. The thing that'd make or break it for me is the gearbox...
The first thing i'd buy if the numbers come in would be a manual DBS, solely for the fact the early ones come with a stick and a clutch.
I love manual gearboxes...
The first thing i'd buy if the numbers come in would be a manual DBS, solely for the fact the early ones come with a stick and a clutch.
I love manual gearboxes...
Edited by Tiger Two on Thursday 27th September 02:25
The C-X16 has been my desktop wallpaper for about a year now; it's fair to say I've been looking forward to this launch and am doing everything I can to afford the V8S next Summer. I'll have mine exactly the same as the main pic, please...
Saying that, part of me wants to wait and see re. a coupe version?
Saying that, part of me wants to wait and see re. a coupe version?
Edited by MartinF on Thursday 27th September 05:42
I didn't realise the pricing was going to be quite as high. Though, as pointed out a boxster s is similar spec.
But for Jag breaking back into sportscar market place, they might have been a bit more generous such as standard leather. I'm sure the nice leather going up the centre console/arm will be a costly extra.
Also looks a bit bigger than expected. Where does this leave the XK in the market place?
But for Jag breaking back into sportscar market place, they might have been a bit more generous such as standard leather. I'm sure the nice leather going up the centre console/arm will be a costly extra.
Also looks a bit bigger than expected. Where does this leave the XK in the market place?
kith said:
£58,500 for the base model with 18s, cloth seats, no SatNav?? They've got to be kidding! These will be £65k on the road, I think they've seriously misjudged the market.
Who mentioned cloth seats and no SatNav? Except for the recently added to the bottom of the list XF Jag don't do a car with cloth seats (and I think even the XF's are 'part leather'. They also don't do a car without SatNav, don't think they'd start with this.If the prices quoted in this thread turn out to be true then its a real shame. So much for a boxster rival. A base boxster is £37,000, with the f-type starting at £58,000 its not even in the same league.
Surley this will be in a very similar (the same?) price bracket as the xk. Its nearly as big, just as quick, better looking, whats going to happen to the xk?
Surley this will be in a very similar (the same?) price bracket as the xk. Its nearly as big, just as quick, better looking, whats going to happen to the xk?
nbirch said:
I'll be going against the grain by saying I find this an utterly uninspiring effort from Jag. Part Maserati, part Nissan, part Spyker... If this is a natural successor of the E-type its a FAIL.... it's not substantially different from anything else out in the market techinically, atheistically its uninspiring and its certainly not inexpensive for what it is. If it was 40K new, then it would cause a few raised eyebrows in Germany, Japan, and Italy, but as it stands big opportunity missed.
It's probably not though. At £40k the margin would be tiny and they wouldn't be able to build enough so it would be a commercial disaster. They will have priced it smartly and spent a lot of time planning where to slot into the various global markets.
For starters they need to consider their capacity capabilities. Secondly their is image. JLR is a prestige brand and one that is very fearful of the Arthur Daley legacy. In addition to that, most new money shops by price tag not concept of quality so if an F Type is more expensive than a Boxster then it is superior if it's purpose is to inform others that you are wealthy.
Re weight and gearbox options, JLR tend to run with models for a long time and I doubt the F Type will be any different.
This means that we have anything up to 10 years for different models to come out depending on sales success etc.
It makes sense that the first cars are autos and also convertibles. Those are going to be the strongest combinations in demand. It seems logical to then add the coupe when demand for the convertible calms down.
After that, well, shockingly there will probably be a diesel model!!!!! But then they will have bedded in the ROI and sales will have bedded in so they will start rolling out the niche models.
This looks like quite a heavy car with a lot of mass to give up so by year 3/4 you'd expect to be seeing in the showrooms some lightweight performance models and maybe a manual option for these.
If Jaguar can score marketing points by producing a manual limited edition model later for serious drivers etc then I'm sure they will do it. If not then I'm sure it will be a tuning house option.
This means that we have anything up to 10 years for different models to come out depending on sales success etc.
It makes sense that the first cars are autos and also convertibles. Those are going to be the strongest combinations in demand. It seems logical to then add the coupe when demand for the convertible calms down.
After that, well, shockingly there will probably be a diesel model!!!!! But then they will have bedded in the ROI and sales will have bedded in so they will start rolling out the niche models.
This looks like quite a heavy car with a lot of mass to give up so by year 3/4 you'd expect to be seeing in the showrooms some lightweight performance models and maybe a manual option for these.
If Jaguar can score marketing points by producing a manual limited edition model later for serious drivers etc then I'm sure they will do it. If not then I'm sure it will be a tuning house option.
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