RE: Paris 2012: F-Type, full details
Discussion
Justayellowbadge said:
AmitG said:
Justayellowbadge said:
It's not bad, but it isn't 10% of what a true follow up to the E type should be.
Nice, but no legend.
How would you envisage a "true follow up to the E type"? Genuine question.Nice, but no legend.
It would have to be as fast as any contemporary supercar, breathtakingly good looking, essentially a reclothed le mans car, and half the price of anything it competes with.
Looks bloody good, but the legacy is immeasurably better. Imho.
These days, with so much legislation, and the costs of development being so high, it's difficult to imagine any car manufacturer producing something with the same impact as the original E-type. Maybe the CX-75 or whatever it is will come closer...
Hellbound said:
http://microsites.jaguar.com/LVS/Paris2012/gl/en/
Look forward to the unveiling tomorrow in Paris at 7am! Early breakfast then!
Replay available - worth a watch. If you're solely interested in the F-Type, then jump to the last 5 mins.Look forward to the unveiling tomorrow in Paris at 7am! Early breakfast then!
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 27th September 08:52
DJRC said:
breadvan said:
I hope the panel gaps (internal and external) are better than previous JLR offerings, because it really saddens me to say it, but all the German brands are massively better in these respects. TVR anyone?
Ive never understood the panel gap thing.Never once on any car Ive ever owned or even looked at have I looked a panel gap.
Never once have I ever heard anybody ask me about the panel gaps on any of my cars.
Never once have I ever head anybody ever mention panel gaps on any of their own cars.
The *only* time Ive ever heard anybody mention panel gaps are motoring journalists.
Always struck me as a f
king idiotic thing to consider, especially when looking to spend 50 large on a sports car. And I can absolutely definately tell you when you looked to spend it on a TVR it never even enters your sodding head!!!- Small panel gaps = good construction quality
- Big panel gaps = poor construction quality
I have a feeling it was Lexus that triggered the modern obsession with panel gaps. When the LS400 came out they heavily publicised the fact that the panel gaps were way smaller than anything which Western manufacturers were capable of producing. Of course, in that case they really were a proxy for the build quality of the entire car, which was incredible (see other PH threads ad nauseum).
The same thing happened with door closing. The motoring press likes to hear a nice Germanic "thud" when you close the door, and equates that with quality. So if you are a manufacturer, you engineer a nice "thud" sound to counter the fact that the door itself is flimsy
TomTVR500 said:
What a fantastic looking car. But can I have a manual.... PLEASE!
The 5lt NA (or SC!!), convertible with a manual box would be as close to a modern day (and well built) TVR possible!Those Jag V8s do sound really nice, both from inside and outside.
Great job Jag - just a big shame no manual option is being offered!!!
)I like the car. However I have a few misgivings.
The interior is not very attactive and bit dull. Should be more special to match the exterior.
The lack of a manual gearbox, so far.
The weight
Price. Sales of XK8s will be affected since the F type is a shortened XK8 without the useless rear seats. If this F type were cheaper and simpler then the differentiation between the two would be greater. As it is the replacement for the XK8 will have to be more expensive and probbaly closer to the XJS in character.
I look forward to a stripped out manual NA V6 for about 10k less.
The interior is not very attactive and bit dull. Should be more special to match the exterior.
The lack of a manual gearbox, so far.
The weight
Price. Sales of XK8s will be affected since the F type is a shortened XK8 without the useless rear seats. If this F type were cheaper and simpler then the differentiation between the two would be greater. As it is the replacement for the XK8 will have to be more expensive and probbaly closer to the XJS in character.
I look forward to a stripped out manual NA V6 for about 10k less.
Beautiful car. And as for panel gaps, I once looked at a Lister Storm show car (road version) and they were enormous and, worse, uneven and there is no way it came across as a quality product. I didn't mind, because the Storm was a race car, and a damn good one at that, first and foremost, but I'm sure the gaps would have put a lot of people off as it looked cobbled together (sorry Mr Pearce!)
It does look absolutely stunning! but I just cant help feeling let down in the pricing.
Really thought this would be a porsche rival, but with the BHP and price it'd be hard to walk past the new boxster (which itself is gorgeous).
As said in a few years should make a second hand bargain and hopefully i'll be in a position by then to buy one
Really thought this would be a porsche rival, but with the BHP and price it'd be hard to walk past the new boxster (which itself is gorgeous).
As said in a few years should make a second hand bargain and hopefully i'll be in a position by then to buy one
Olivera said:
The 991 Cabrio kerb-weight ranges from 1525kg (Carrera manual) right up to 1610kg (Carrera 4S PDK). The F-type weighing roughly the same (despite having to carry a supercharger and ancillaries such as intercoolers) is right where it needs to be.
And two less seats.This should have been Boxster weight in V6 form, IMO. Jaguar may claim this is a sports car, but if it drives like one I'll be astonished (and no I don't consider the 911 a sports car - it's a GT and has been for years).
To me, this looks like nothing more than a slightly re-positioned replacement for the XK. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but it's not really what I was expecting from all the hype.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 27th September 09:32
DonkeyApple said:
It's probably not though. At £40k the margin would be tiny and they wouldn't be able to build enough so it would be a commercial disaster.
They will have priced it smartly and spent a lot of time planning where to slot into the various global markets.
For starters they need to consider their capacity capabilities. Secondly their is image. JLR is a prestige brand and one that is very fearful of the Arthur Daley legacy. In addition to that, most new money shops by price tag not concept of quality so if an F Type is more expensive than a Boxster then it is superior if it's purpose is to inform others that you are wealthy.
Nail, Head.They will have priced it smartly and spent a lot of time planning where to slot into the various global markets.
For starters they need to consider their capacity capabilities. Secondly their is image. JLR is a prestige brand and one that is very fearful of the Arthur Daley legacy. In addition to that, most new money shops by price tag not concept of quality so if an F Type is more expensive than a Boxster then it is superior if it's purpose is to inform others that you are wealthy.
Fabulous looking car, and from the data posted so far looks as if it has the spec to make it drive as well as it looks.
Don't forget the F-TYPE is a Convertible. The heaviest is lighter than any R8 or Vantage and lighter than an AMG SLK. Yes the 911 is slightly lighter, but despite the years of marketing spin and engineering finesse you can't avoid the fact that it still has too much weight at the back. The Jaguar looks to be 50:50.
More importantly on Power to weight and Torque to weight ratios the car looks stonking. With supercharged V6 and V8 engines I bet the torque is available from low revs and always on tap.
Can't wait to drive it!
Don't forget the F-TYPE is a Convertible. The heaviest is lighter than any R8 or Vantage and lighter than an AMG SLK. Yes the 911 is slightly lighter, but despite the years of marketing spin and engineering finesse you can't avoid the fact that it still has too much weight at the back. The Jaguar looks to be 50:50.
More importantly on Power to weight and Torque to weight ratios the car looks stonking. With supercharged V6 and V8 engines I bet the torque is available from low revs and always on tap.
Can't wait to drive it!
Mr Dastardly said:
The Jaguar looks to be 50:50.
That to me is another negative point. 40:60 is about right for a F/R car, IMO. 50/50 is far too much weight over the nose. For me the problem with the 911's layout is not the static weight distribution, which is about right, but the polar moment of inertia, which is rather high. There is nothing about 50:50 that makes it somehow the "correct" weight distribution.
the front looks like a ferrari california with jag grille and th back looks like a alfa brera spyder... (i.e. i like the front but dont think the back looks good or matches the front sleekness).
however i do think this car will have the wow factor... its like the 1989 SL r129 when it was launched - it was a game changer and everyone wanted one and to be seen in one... I think this will now be the aspirational car to have... lets hope that its well made and reliable...
the only 2 jaguars that i really ever want to own (up until now) is the e type or xk120
however i do think this car will have the wow factor... its like the 1989 SL r129 when it was launched - it was a game changer and everyone wanted one and to be seen in one... I think this will now be the aspirational car to have... lets hope that its well made and reliable...
the only 2 jaguars that i really ever want to own (up until now) is the e type or xk120
tino2479 said:
Do not like the rear 3/4 view at all in the last photograph, maybe its the red body sandwiched between the black rag top and the black diffuser that makes it look... squashed?
Edited by tino2479 on Wednesday 26th September 19:39
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