RE: Paris 2012: F-Type, full details
Discussion
I can't get away from the fact it looks like a car designed for a game where the developers didn't have any licences and so they took bits of a Nissan, bits of a Ferrari California and a few other 'ideas' and threw them together.
I hope to god that
a - they improve it for production a bit
b - it looks better in the metal
Because I'm not a fan here and now.
I hope to god that
a - they improve it for production a bit
b - it looks better in the metal
Because I'm not a fan here and now.
Wills2 said:
Hellbound said:
Far more exciting than a 991 though.
In what way? I've driven the 991 and it's bloody brilliant, this car is going to have to go some to stand up in comparison to it.AmitG said:
Justayellowbadge said:
It's not bad, but it isn't 10% of what a true follow up to the E type should be.
Nice, but no legend.
How would you envisage a "true follow up to the E type"? Genuine question.Nice, but no legend.
It would have to be as fast as any contemporary supercar, breathtakingly good looking, essentially a reclothed le mans car, and half the price of anything it competes with.
Looks bloody good, but the legacy is immeasurably better. Imho.
Wow, I really like the look of it. Pricing seems high, but Jags are always well kitted out, and with a decent spec'd 991 costing over 100k, it doesn't look so bad.
Makes me wonder what pricing they have in mind for the next XK. A few years ago, my nearly new XKR was very much at the lower end of the F type pricing range.
Makes me wonder what pricing they have in mind for the next XK. A few years ago, my nearly new XKR was very much at the lower end of the F type pricing range.
RacerMike said:
E-Diff is catagorically not what you think it is. Jags E-Diff is an electrically controlled mechanically locking LSD which is superior to a helical, clutched or any other type of LSD. Normal diffs are dumb as to what the car is doing when they lock ad unlock. E-Diff uses all the dynamic sensors in the car to control when and how much it locks. So the list in performance goes:
Open->ESP braked open diff->LSD->E-Diff
Erm... yes it is. Open->ESP braked open diff->LSD->E-Diff
It's not just me, in EVO Magazine PCOTY in 2011 in front of me here, Richard Meaden said; 'Over the limit, the Jag's electronic rear diff splits opinion - some like the fact that it appears to lock initially to get the tail kicking wide and then slacken to naturally stabilise the slide, but others would prefer the slightly sharper, more predictable control of a normal LSD.'
I'm relying partly on the mags' experience because I've not tried an E-diff myself, but I've tried every other type over the years, and now have a quaife torsen lsd in two cars, which I find ideally progressive for both road and occasional track use, and could be combined with electronic safety nets too giving the best of both worlds.
Alternatively, maybe the electronics could be re-programmed to give more precise control to exactly mimic a mechanical diff with optimised ramp angles etc., but they probably feel the slackening off is necessary to 'help drivers out'. Which sounds like the hydratrak diff in Cosworth Sierra's and some TVR's that I knew very well, they were consequently very tricky to balance around the limit of traction.
Edited by tail slide on Wednesday 26th September 23:01
Edited by tail slide on Wednesday 26th September 23:02
Wills2 said:
Hellbound said:
Far more exciting than a 991 though.
In what way? I've driven the 991 and it's bloody brilliant, this car is going to have to go some to stand up in comparison to it.kambites said:
No mention of a manual gearbox?
No mention of weight either. With all this talk of "light weight" it had damned well be lighter than a 991.
Does it really matter if it's lighter than a 991 or not?, hardly any one is going to tell any differance between a car that weights 1500kg or 1700kgNo mention of weight either. With all this talk of "light weight" it had damned well be lighter than a 991.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 26th September 22:34
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