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CraigyMc

8,742 posts

122 months

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tommy vercetti said:
Where are the rear headlights?
Rear *lights*.

Rear headlights would confuse the crap out of everyone.

M666 EVO

888 posts

48 months

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RINGMEISTER said:
Right I reakon 227 MPH, seeing top speed is not a 'priority'
The scary thing is we have already had the race for MPH with F40 (201) then F1 (240) then the Veyron (252). The race for BHP with many cars reaching 500+ and the Veyron (1001), so either this thing is 2000BHP and 300MPH or its going to be an anti-climax.

Is it now Nurburgring times, braking distances or carbon dioxide wotsits that matter?

I am just a bit worried my school boy heart who appreciates the "how fast is it" or "what's it's top speed" is going to struggle to find happiness...


SWoll

5,037 posts

144 months

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Richard A said:
The front looks a bit like a catfish trying to eat a black rubber ring. It's a shame the world seems to have moved on from the gorgeous, elegant rationality of the original F1, which is still the benchmark for me.
dylan39 said:
Some great (GREAT) touches like the headlights....and yes the wing is actually quite a remarkably different realisation of active aero on a modern supercar... BUT, as many have said, FAR FAR too messy and incongruent to be a design classic. Shame... BUT then it only makes it easier for the original to remain my dream car!
yes

I just can't see it ageing well. Far to fussy for my tastes, almost cartoon like.

Be very interested to see one in the flesh.


Speed_Demon

2,057 posts

74 months

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tommy vercetti said:
Where are the rear headlights?
Even McLaren can't event such a thing.

CraigyMc

8,742 posts

122 months

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Justices said:
I'd not get it in that awful orange.
Neither would I but you'd have to travel back in time to 1967 to tell Bruce McLaren not to start painting his cars orange if you wanted to stop them.

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PascalBuyens

2,868 posts

168 months

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After_Shock said:
tommy vercetti said:
Where are the rear headlights?
In that thin black strip running around the back of the car just below where the orange bodywork finishes.
Nah, as hard as I look.. I don't see an extra pair of headlights there LOL









(ok, I'll get my coat)

CraigyMc

8,742 posts

122 months

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M666 EVO said:
RINGMEISTER said:
Right I reakon 227 MPH, seeing top speed is not a 'priority'
The scary thing is we have already had the race for MPH with F40 (201) then F1 (240) then the Veyron (252). The race for BHP with many cars reaching 500+ and the Veyron (1001), so either this thing is 2000BHP and 300MPH or its going to be an anti-climax.

Is it now Nurburgring times, braking distances or carbon dioxide wotsits that matter?

I am just a bit worried my school boy heart who appreciates the "how fast is it" or "what's it's top speed" is going to struggle to find happiness...
The F1 hit 240mph as a byproduct of the design, not as a target of the design.

This new P1 car is going to be fast, but that isn't the design criteria. If it were, there's no way it would look like this.

If you genuinely wanted 2000bhp and 300mph, You could always go to Nelson Racing Engines and get something with that power and shove it into the back of an Ultima GTR (or similar). It would be preposterous, but I suspect less fun than something properly engineered and well resolved.

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Japveesix

2,321 posts

54 months

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smoores said:
I think it looks fking great. Very cool, modern, outrageous design but it also has purpose and will no doubt be very very quick. Think it will be quite stunning on the road.

NGK210

668 posts

31 months

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S3000

484 posts

45 months

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All show no go... In my mind Koenigseggs are the real Mclarens F-1 Successors.

Speed_Demon

2,057 posts

74 months

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I think in time this will either be considered as ugly as sin, or asolutely iconic. One of the two extremes.

Fire99

8,682 posts

115 months

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The rear end looks pretty intricate. Impressive for that. The rest, we'll have to wait and see..

Johnny

6,642 posts

170 months

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NGK210 said:


Is that supposed to be a bad thing? wink

RenesisEvo

2,370 posts

105 months

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foxhounduk said:
And yes, the acceleration and top speed DOES matter. We've waited 20 years for this. If this doesn't beat the B.Veyron SS in straight line performance, it's still in 2nd position in my eyes.
That's fine for Top Trumps, but in my eyes numbers completely fail to define/describe what is a good car. Much like trying to explain how a Caterham is good by quoting its top speed. The usual numbers are helpful to construct a reference for comparision, but little more.

20 years in the making? Probably not. And I almost don't want a successor, a replacement - because nothing can, or should, replace or succeed the F1 IMO. Be inspired/influenced by it, yes, but I can't justify anything being the same.
samoht said:
Wonder how the suspension will cope with that much downforce? Trick active suspension?
Could only be? Look forward to finding out what they've done, if the 12C is anything to go by.

Jayfish said:
5 times more downforce than a 12C? Surely that is a vmax derived figure which is ironic considering the vmax isn't important...
5x the downforce at a low-ish speed won't be too bad, as 5x not a lot = not a lot more. I would be very surprised if that was genuinely quoted near v-max, as a) the P1 will have a higher vmax than the 12C, so you can't compare and b) given downforce increases with the square of speed, either the 12C has very little or the P1 has an absurd amount. For the sake of the tyres, it would neeed to be the former, I can't see McLaren going down the Veyron route of replacing tyres every half hour of high-speed use.

I was very fortunate to hear an early P1 prototype leave the factory, the noise was quite something, although sadly still not sonorous like an Italian V12. Functional, one might say. But still exciting.

luke111s

847 posts

74 months

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I liked the subtle design of the MP4-12C and I must say I really like the crazy design of the P1; from the video at least!

I not sure I can see it looking good in 20 years time like the F1 does, which is a shame.

Totally blacked out windows; could that mean 3 seats that are still being kept quiet?
smiledrivingsmile

CraigyMc

8,742 posts

122 months

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luke111s said:
Totally blacked out windows; could that mean 3 seats that are still being kept quiet?
No. Look at where the rear view mirror attachment goes.

Also - as reported all over the place, it's LHD only.

tommy vercetti

8,028 posts

49 months

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CraigyMc said:
tommy vercetti said:
Where are the rear headlights?
Rear *lights*.

Rear headlights would confuse the crap out of everyone.
Damn thats what I was meant to write.

ukaskew

874 posts

107 months

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Bit disappointed in the 'beat the Veyron SS or it's a failure' comments doing the rounds, presumably from people who will never get even remotely close to owning one, especially considering the top speed is beyond irrelevant. I would hazard a guess that the team is confident in it smashing any road car lap record that could be thrown at it.

Just look at the aero work going on, it's on a completely different level to anything we've ever seen, and presumably is the sort of stuff race car designers would love to include but for regs.

charltjr

993 posts

81 months

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One thing is sure, many reviewers will say it's not sexy enough, lacks passion and drama to drive.

Then again the bloody thing could give you the best blow job ever to a soundtrack of Donna Summer moaning Love To Love You Baby and finish off with a 21 gun salute at the moment of climax and they'd still say that. Just because it's not a Ferrari or a Lamborghini.

I abso-bloody-lutely love it.

CraigyMc

8,742 posts

122 months

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260mph isn't always better than 230mph.
900bhp isn't always better than 700bhp.

More is not always better.

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