Dash Cameras

[AyBee]

James B said:

I have the Blackvue 400HD fitted to a few of our cars. And as of last night I am very glad indeed...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKrJq46G35I

I hope the camera footage hopes with the claim, but does your wife always drive that close to the car in front?

[Mr SFJ]

AyBee said:

James B said:

I have the Blackvue 400HD fitted to a few of our cars. And as of last night I am very glad indeed...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKrJq46G35I

I hope the camera footage hopes with the claim, but does your wife always drive that close to the car in front?

From the footage, I don't reckon the driver can claim that something ran out infront of him, the road is wide to the left, and traffic on the right wouldn't be moving when he does. It looks apparent it's out of spite/crash for cash. (IMO)

[James B]

AyBee said:

James B said:

I have the Blackvue 400HD fitted to a few of our cars. And as of last night I am very glad indeed...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKrJq46G35I

I hope the camera footage hopes with the claim, but does your wife always drive that close to the car in front?

I would say that is relatively typical of her driving but she did get too close on the early part of the corner for my liking but only, she feels, because he slowed slightly as he went uphill. The cynic in me tells me that he was reeling her in with the full intention of performing an emergency stop. The footage certainly raised the Officers eyebrows!

[Catatafish]

I wonder how long until the headline reads "the victim was found with a dashcam shoved where the sun does not shine"

[eltax91]

James B said:

numtumfutunch said:

James B said:

I have the Blackvue 400HD fitted to a few of our cars. And as of last night I am very glad indeed...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKrJq46G35I

Fiat pulls standard ?antisocial rush hour manoeuvre and then several minutes later puts on the anchors for a dog or young child I couldnt see on the footage leading to your missus rear ending it

Or am I missing something?

The cutting up was exactly as you said, nothing more than antisocial.

The emergency stop was something else. Clearly he got annoyed at my wife sounding the horn for his cutting up so thought he would teach her a lesson. His statement to the Police mentioned no dog/child etc. he just said he tapped the brakes for the corner. Clearly he is not telling the truth.

She didn't sound the horn for his cutting up though did she? She sounded it to make him aware of her presence.

[tenpenceshort]

Looks six of one, half a dozen the other to me. Fiat shouldn't be brake testing, following car shouldn't be so close that she couldn't avoid it. After all, that could have been a genuine emergency brake and she would still have collided with it.

[balls-out]

James B said:

I have the Blackvue 400HD fitted to a few of our cars. And as of last night I am very glad indeed...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKrJq46G35I

Because it shows her driving into the back of the car infront? Too close and not paying attention. The drive COULD have been stopping for a child or hazzard - clearly your wife wouldn't have noticed.

Two wrongs don't make a right. I'll be interesed to hear how it goes.
One party appears to deliverately drive to increase the chances of an accident, but doesn't actually perform an legal move.

One party commits the classic sin of driving too close /not paying attention, if the vehicle in front stops.

[eltax91]

balls-out said:

James B said:

I have the Blackvue 400HD fitted to a few of our cars. And as of last night I am very glad indeed...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKrJq46G35I

The drive COULD have been stopping for a child or hazzard - clearly your wife wouldn't have noticed.

Not necessarily though. Visibility is quite clear, if he was genuinely braking for a hazard, who's to say she would not have seen it first, or at the same time, and stopped in plenty of space?

Yes she was driving fairly close, but no closer than the fiat was to the car in front. As has been suggested, she felt the fiat also "backed her up" a little by backing off, thus reducing her braking gap.

Everything is not black and white, but if common sense prevails, the fiat driver will be footing the bill, since he clearly braked for NOTHING. Regardless of what he COULD have braked for.

ETA: and I suspect he is pleased he has the dashcam, because without one, this case is completely open and shut, now there is at least a chance that justice will be done.

[FiF]

Always difficult to judge absolute following distance on these things due to high up camera mounting and lens zoom settings.

Looked as if she was about 1 car length behind at 30 whereas he was maybe 2+ behind the one in front.

The impact shows too close unfortunately. Also shows the solution to being the victim of tailgating is not to do a brake test.

Anyway real purpose of the post. Video shows speed on the bottom of the screen. Obviously due to the way gps works there is a fair old lag, I.e. not synchronised, but is that standard with the Blackvue or is it something cobbled up by the software?

Not noticed that before on other footage, but then maybe it's just me being unobservant.

[Tonsko]

I thought she was a little close as well. Be that as it may, the way he brakes was awkward too - the lights come on, but he doesn't slow down very much, then he really jams them on causing rapid deceleration - as if it was deliberate light brake to put the lights on, then really mash it down.

This is not to absolve the lady, but judgement may have been trickier because of that.

[James B]

tenpenceshort said:

Looks six of one, half a dozen the other to me. Fiat shouldn't be brake testing, following car shouldn't be so close that she couldn't avoid it. After all, that could have been a genuine emergency brake and she would still have collided with it.

The point she made was that any child/cat/dog etc appearing from the side of the road would have had her reacting too. The fact she had the vantage point to see the road ahead meant that she was as surprised as anyone when he elected to stand on the brakes for absolutely no reason. He has also lied to the Police about this as he claims it was 'maybe a tap of the brakes to slow for the corner'. He wanted to draw her in and cause an accident.

[Lucas Ayde]

James B said:

Without the camera footage we would certainly find the liability at our door. I am hopeful that the insurers can view the footage and agree that the driver had no need to stop and that it was an act of maliciousness. The fact his statement said there was no obstruction and he simply 'tapped' the brakes for the corner must have some bearing on his actions in the video. I hope sense will prevail in the insurers world.

It'll probably go 50-50 insurance-wise with both drivers at fault.

I guess there's a possibility that the police might take some action against the brake checker though.

[-Ad-]

James B said:

The cutting up was exactly as you said, nothing more than antisocial.

The emergency stop was something else. Clearly he got annoyed at my wife sounding the horn for his cutting up so thought he would teach her a lesson. His statement to the Police mentioned no dog/child etc. he just said he tapped the brakes for the corner. Clearly he is not telling the truth.

Clear case of brake testing.

Please fight this and ensure the Police are involved, taking this seriously. There's no way you need to dab, let alone brake for that corner as it's a gentle right hander and there's clearly nothing coming out in front of that fiat.the statement of tapping the brake when it was clearly a slam on should help your case. The police need to take this up!

A stupid move to pull and there was only one outcome.

FYI, I used to commute on that route and know the road very well.

Edited by -Ad- on Wednesday 13th August 14:51

[James B]

FiF said:

Anyway real purpose of the post. Video shows speed on the bottom of the screen. Obviously due to the way gps works there is a fair old lag, I.e. not synchronised, but is that standard with the Blackvue or is it something cobbled up by the software?

Not noticed that before on other footage, but then maybe it's just me being unobservant.

That's a very good question. To be honest I don't interrogate the footage from the cameras at all and this is the first time i've had cause to do so in around 8 months of them being fitted.

I never actually pulled this footage off using the Blackvue software either. This is just the raw MP4 from the memory card played via quicktime. The speed etc is embedded in the video by the camera and I can turn it on or off on future recordings but not this one I suspect.

I did use the Blackvue software to look at the contents of the card and noticed that it does show the vehicle deceleration and the moment of impact read by its G-meter. It seemed quite accurate as in the peak of the g-meter readout was as the moment of impact etc.

As for the GPS speed, having looked at the footage and speed of other cars in this video and a couple of others from the same day I would say that the GPS isn't all that accurate nor is it very 'real-time' with the speed of the vehicle. As you say, there appears to be some lag in there. I would suspect the GPS isn't all that great for speed.

[James B]

-Ad- said:

Clear case of brake testing.

Please fight this and ensure the Police are involved, taking this seriously. There's no way you need to dab, let alone brake for that corner as it's a gentle right hander and there's clearly nothing coming out in front of that fiat.the statement of tapping the brake when it was clearly a slam on should help your case. The police need to take this up!

A stupid move to pull and there was only one outcome.

FYI, I used to commute on that route and know the road very well.

Edited by -Ad- on Wednesday 13th August 14:51

Thanks Ad. Well the Police were involved on the scene and were keen to see the footage. I hope they'll take it further but then they are busy people and I suspect this type of thing may result in a talking to for the other driver but a battle for us with insurers. Fingers crossed i'm wrong and the other chap gets his just desserts but i've become rather cynical about these things since hitting 30!!!

[markmullen]

James B said:

As for the GPS speed, having looked at the footage and speed of other cars in this video and a couple of others from the same day I would say that the GPS isn't all that accurate nor is it very 'real-time' with the speed of the vehicle. As you say, there appears to be some lag in there. I would suspect the GPS isn't all that great for speed.

It'll depend on the sampling rate for the GPS chip, IIRC satnavs work at about 1Hz, that is they record the location every second, then compare that record with the last recorded position and from there work out your speed. Racelogic boxes work on 10Hz, that is the location compared 10 times a second, so are a lot more accurate. At 1Hz you will have a lag as the GPS is unable to calculate your speed as fast as it changes.

[James B]

markmullen said:

It'll depend on the sampling rate for the GPS chip, IIRC satnavs work at about 1Hz, that is they record the location every second, then compare that record with the last recorded position and from there work out your speed. Racelogic boxes work on 10Hz, that is the location compared 10 times a second, so are a lot more accurate. At 1Hz you will have a lag as the GPS is unable to calculate your speed as fast as it changes.

That sounds like a pretty reasonable assessment. Thanks for the info.

[Mr Trophy]

James B

I mean this in the best way possible - fantastic!

I am in no means an expert but this surely has to go in favour of your wife? Please do keep us updated. Did your wife example the "gentlemans" face when she said the whole thing was caught on camera?

[askew]

Mr Trophy said:

James B

I mean this in the best way possible - fantastic!

I am in no means an expert but this surely has to go in favour of your wife? Please do keep us updated. Did your wife example the "gentlemans" face when she said the whole thing was caught on camera?

I would hope that it wasn't mentioned: the perfect way for the other driver to incriminate himself (herself?) was to bullst.

[Mr Trophy]

askew said:

I would hope that it wasn't mentioned: the perfect way for the other driver to incriminate himself (herself?) was to bullst.

I have one in my car, maybe it's just me, but I would be going fking bananas and breaking it to the driver that the whole thing was caught on camera and await for the Police to arrive.